The Christian Metal Realm is a community made up largely of Christians who also happen to love heavy metal! You do not have to be a Christian to join, but you MUST be respectful. Home  FAQ  Search  Register  Log in       The Christian Metal Realm :: Beliefs and Hobbies :: The Study and Debating Realm  Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...     Goto page : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6   Author Message Ashenvale A Mere Peasant Age : 29 Joined : 08 Dec 2007 Posts : 2494 Subject: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:16 am If there's anyone on this board who considers themselves neither Conservative or Liberal.. who accepts and rejects ideologies based on his own logic and studied conclusions, and doesn't just follow the sheep of the red or blue farmers flock ..please raise your smiley's hand! This will probably just be me...but who knows. _________________ εν αρχη εποιησεν ο θεος τον ουρανον και την γην Death is the only way out.   Orion Crystal Ice Rider of the Astral Fire Age : 22 Joined : 02 Jan 2007 Posts : 3901 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:18 am _________________ Dark motions, black eyes, and mournful lust, the wings of solitude ...I'm the hateful raven I dream in shades of you.   Ashenvale A Mere Peasant Age : 29 Joined : 08 Dec 2007 Posts : 2494 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:20 am yay! _________________ εν αρχη εποιησεν ο θεος τον ουρανον και την γην Death is the only way out.   Orion Crystal Ice Rider of the Astral Fire Age : 22 Joined : 02 Jan 2007 Posts : 3901 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:23 am Can I with some of this? _________________ Dark motions, black eyes, and mournful lust, the wings of solitude ...I'm the hateful raven I dream in shades of you.   Ashenvale A Mere Peasant Age : 29 Joined : 08 Dec 2007 Posts : 2494 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:38 am Blue agave flavor! That must taste good. _________________ εν αρχη εποιησεν ο θεος τον ουρανον και την γην Death is the only way out.   DeathMetalCookieMonster Resident Aryeonaut Joined : 07 Apr 2007 Posts : 1868 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:22 pm Quote: who accepts and rejects ideologies based on his own logic and studied conclusions, and doesn't just follow the sheep of the red or blue farmers flock ..please raise your smiley's hand! cheers Remember, if you're not an individual just like me, you're a sheep. _________________ Romans 6:1-23   Doom Ryder of Cheese Doom Rider of Cheesy Song Titles Age : 40 Joined : 07 Apr 2007 Posts : 1540 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:55 pm I am a moderate conservative, but still a conservative. So go ahead and look down on me if it helps you to feel better about yourself. _________________ "There are only two kinds of men: the righteous who think they are sinners and the sinners who think they are righteous." - Blaise Pascal http://www.solideogloria.org/erc/sermons/index.htm   5minutes Joined : 07 Nov 2007 Posts : 2122 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:57 pm Doom Ryder of Cheese wrote: I am a moderate conservative, but still a conservative. So go ahead and look down on me if it helps you to feel better about yourself. Quote: Remember, if you're not an individual just like me, you're a sheep. _________________ www.christianmetalforums.com "There's no virtue in having an opinion, especially if it's wrong." - Rush Limbaugh "...remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it." - Barack Hussein Obama   Doom Ryder of Cheese Doom Rider of Cheesy Song Titles Age : 40 Joined : 07 Apr 2007 Posts : 1540 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:15 pm Yep, I was basically just reiterating what I believe DMCM was also saying. _________________ "There are only two kinds of men: the righteous who think they are sinners and the sinners who think they are righteous." - Blaise Pascal http://www.solideogloria.org/erc/sermons/index.htm   BackFromTheDawn Age : 21 Joined : 18 May 2007 Posts : 2442 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:19 pm _________________ "He had discovered Time and Death and God"-Aldous Huxley   PeacethroughX Cool Mamma Jamma Age : 52 Joined : 11 Mar 2007 Posts : 261 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:48 pm I have also been way too conservative for most liberals, way too liberal for most conservatives, and too decisive for most centrists! And I'm a great cook.... (Not that it matters here, but I thought I'd throw it in...) _________________ "Who among the gods is like you, O LORD ? Who is like you— majestic in holiness, awesome in glory, working wonders?" Exodus 15:11 http://www.achurchforthecity.org http://www.myspace.com/peacelovinghippie "I don't reject your Christ, I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ." Mahatma Ghandi   Orion Crystal Ice Rider of the Astral Fire Age : 22 Joined : 02 Jan 2007 Posts : 3901 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:50 pm Stop trying to be in the middle and take a side. JESUS wasn't in the middle of RIGHT WING and LEFT WING. JESUS was like RONALD REAGAN before Him. _________________ Dark motions, black eyes, and mournful lust, the wings of solitude ...I'm the hateful raven I dream in shades of you.   DeathMetalCookieMonster Resident Aryeonaut Joined : 07 Apr 2007 Posts : 1868 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:05 pm Orion Crystal Ice wrote: Stop trying to be in the middle and take a side. JESUS wasn't in the middle of RIGHT WING and LEFT WING. JESUS was like RONALD REAGAN before Him. Looks like you don't see what some of us object to in his post. _________________ Romans 6:1-23   Orion Crystal Ice Rider of the Astral Fire Age : 22 Joined : 02 Jan 2007 Posts : 3901 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:06 pm My sarcasm is withstanding despite all things, sir _________________ Dark motions, black eyes, and mournful lust, the wings of solitude ...I'm the hateful raven I dream in shades of you.   5minutes Joined : 07 Nov 2007 Posts : 2122 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:07 pm Sarcasm? No way! _________________ www.christianmetalforums.com "There's no virtue in having an opinion, especially if it's wrong." - Rush Limbaugh "...remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it." - Barack Hussein Obama   PeacethroughX Cool Mamma Jamma Age : 52 Joined : 11 Mar 2007 Posts : 261 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:38 pm Orion Crystal Ice wrote: Stop trying to be in the middle and take a side. JESUS wasn't in the middle of RIGHT WING and LEFT WING. JESUS was like RONALD REAGAN before Him. I got it immediately!! No worries, Jake! Well, maybe... I'll have to check. Yes, indeedy!! I will definitely give that some thought if it's sarcasm and get back to you... _________________ "Who among the gods is like you, O LORD ? Who is like you— majestic in holiness, awesome in glory, working wonders?" Exodus 15:11 http://www.achurchforthecity.org http://www.myspace.com/peacelovinghippie "I don't reject your Christ, I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ." Mahatma Ghandi   VALEDICTION Joined : 13 Apr 2007 Posts : 856 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:40 pm Quote: If there's anyone on this board who considers themselves neither Conservative or Liberal.. who accepts and rejects ideologies based on his own logic and studied conclusions, and doesn't just follow the sheep of the red or blue farmers flock ..please raise your smiley's hand! Generally speaking, "Conservative" and "Liberal" are terms that refer to a person's legal philosophy, particularly in regard to "judicial interpretation" (the interpretation of law). In law, a "conservative" construction is one that favors an interpretation that is consistent with the original purpose of the law in question. A "liberal" construction is one that favors an interpretation that is more often inclined to thwart the original purpose of the law, in order to accommodate some outside factor (a particular circumstance, a social movement, a personal political interest, etc.). In the political sense (in terms of world politics), these terms are always meant to refer to a person's adherence to those precepts upon which the federal government of their nation is established. Those who are old enough may remember that the old leaders of the Soviet Union were often called "Hardline Conservatives". Since theirs was a Socialist government, the Conservatives of the former Soviet Union were those people who believed in Socialism. In the context of the U.S. government, our federal government was established under an entirely different set of precepts. You see, ours is a Constitutional Democracy, and our Constitution establishes what is known as Limited Government... the balance between Socialism (which is essentially a form of Totalitarianism) and Libertarianism (which is essentially a form of Anarchy). To be certain, the Conservatives of the United States are those people who believe in this type of Limited Government, as set forth by our Constitution. The Constitution establishes the balance between Socialism (Big Government) and Libertarianism (No Government), and if we were to create a model of this, we would have to place our federal Constitution at the center of this model, together with all those folks (the Conservatives) who recognize the ultimate significance of this document. You see, in the United States, the Conservative view is the moderate view. And so, everytime we try to interpret the Constitution in a way that is consistent with its original purpose, the integrity of the Constitution shall have been preserved... and, likewise, our way of life here in the United States shall have been preserved. But everytime we interpret the Constitution in way that is inconsistent with its original purpose, the integrity of the Constitution shall have been compromised... and, likewise, our way of life here in the United States shall have been compromised. It is important to understand the etymology of these terms, because a lot of folks throw these terms around, without any regard to their actual meaning. For instance, a lot of folks have gotten it in their head that Conservative somehow means "parochial" and "narrow-minded", and that Liberal somehow means "progressive" and "free-thinking". If such definitions were true, in the realm of political discussion, then it would make sense that there ought to be some sort of a moderate, ad infinitum view. However, such definitions are contrived out of ignorance. I hope that the following two definitions will provide a better understanding of these two words, in the context of U.S. politics: Conservative A Conservative is someone who recognizes the Constitution as a critical document, and who believes that its integrity must always be preserved through consistent and conservative judicial interpretation. Liberal Generally speaking, a Liberal is someone who is not a Conservative. In the most extreme sense, he is someone who views the Constitution as completely irrelevant. In a more subtle sense, he is someone who perhaps does not view the Constitution as completely irrelevant, but depending on the circumstances, he is willing to declare parts of it irrelevant, in certain situations, in order to reach a desired conclusion. The common denominator among Liberals is that they can see no great harm in twisting and bending the intended meaning of the various articles of the Constitution, in order to accommodate outside factors (a particular circumstance, a social movement, a personal political interest, etc.). The Moderate "Ad Infinitum" Sorry, but there's absolutely no such thing. Undecided Here is the only possible third option: "I don't know" or "I don't care". Joe   Orion Crystal Ice Rider of the Astral Fire Age : 22 Joined : 02 Jan 2007 Posts : 3901 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:49 pm Quote: Yes, indeedy!! I will definitely give that some thought if it's sarcasm and get back to you... Just don't throw your vote away!! _________________ Dark motions, black eyes, and mournful lust, the wings of solitude ...I'm the hateful raven I dream in shades of you.   GODSWIZARD Play it LOUD!! Age : 51 Joined : 06 Jan 2007 Posts : 9290 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:19 pm Peace said: Quote: I have also been way too conservative for most liberals, way too liberal for most conservatives, and too decisive for most centrists! Count me there too. However, just change the word "liberal" to leftist. Other than that......yeah, that's me. _________________ "The 'farce' is strong with Obama-Wan." words of Scourge. One of the twins: I'm the one who likes it all....   BackFromTheDawn Age : 21 Joined : 18 May 2007 Posts : 2442 Subject: Re: Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...   Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:56 pm Orion Crystal Ice wrote: Stop trying to be in the middle and take a side. JESUS wasn't in the middle of RIGHT WING and LEFT WING. JESUS was like RONALD REAGAN before Him. Exactly! We're in a war! Pick a side and stay with it! _________________ "He had discovered Time and Death and God"-Aldous Huxley   Conservative , Liberal..ad infinitum...     Page 1 of 6 Goto page : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6   Permissions of this forum: You cannot reply to topics in this forum The Christian Metal Realm :: Beliefs and Hobbies :: The Study and Debating Realm The Christian Metal Realm :: Beliefs and Hobbies :: The Study and Debating Realm Free forum | © phpbb | Free forum support | Report an abuse | Create a free blog