Something to keep in mind

Age : 20 Joined : 21 Jul 2007 Posts : 2022

I was thinking about what Tohos said in another thread about Halloween being his favorite holiday while Christmas is his least, due to all of the commercialism. I was thinking about how commercial Halloween is too, but it's actually a religious day for groups of a certain belief. This is not directed at Tohos in any way shape or form... his comment was just a starting point for what I thought are some good things to think about:

- it's funny how many people of the Christian persuasion have no problem celebrating the commercialized version of halloween and participating in the various cultural rituals of candy-giving and trick-or-treating involved without even giving a second thought to some of the more spiritual "meanings" it supposedly originally had and still has for select groups.

-it's funny how some of those people above are also the first to complain about Christmas becoming commercialized, robbed from Christian theology, having Christ taken out of it and reduced to a bunch of cultural rituals of gift-giving, get togethers and the like.

- If a Christian wants to celebrate halloween, he can do so without any of the supposed spiritual elements to it. If an atheist wants to celebrate Christmas he should be allowed to do the same... in peace. What good is all the sarcastic "PC" commentary? I would think that it would actually take away from your own experience of Christmas. How about just letting everyone make of the day what they will, do with the day what they will and leave it at that?

^^ And if that is too much, well then, just remember that Dec. 25th was originally a pagan celebration, and SueNC says that anything that isn't Christian is pagan, so maybe all of us non-Christians are just celebrating the pagan holiday that the day originally was. Smile

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Basically everything you just said is what I tried to explain to some people last week...

Not people here, but people in the *real* world.

Subject: Re: Something to keep in mind Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:41 pm

Subject: Re: Something to keep in mind Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:46 pm

If people on either side don't understand the others' POV by now, they never will, so who gives a piss.
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Subject: Re: Something to keep in mind Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:55 pm

The plastic baby Jesus...it burns us Precioussss
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Play it LOUD!! Age : 51 Joined : 06 Jan 2007 Posts : 11691

GP said:

Play it LOUD!! Age : 51 Joined : 06 Jan 2007 Posts : 11691

GP said, and then Angel said:

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That's not the point. If it really is public property, then why should the 5% dictate to the 95% on how it is used?
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Play it LOUD!! Age : 51 Joined : 06 Jan 2007 Posts : 11691

Because the "5%" have 3 things.

1. The biggest mouths.

2. The loudest voices.

3. Sympathetic leftists in government with power to give *voice*, if you will, to their loud mouths.

KISS

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Bingo.

That's why leftist policies are enacted legislatively and judicially.
If put to a vote, most of this kind of thing would go down in flames.
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I like Samhain too. I guess I'm not supposed too, but I do.
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A Mere Peasant Age : 30 Joined : 08 Dec 2007 Posts : 4484

As soon as I get enough money and/or find myself in that right situation..I'll be headin' over the Atlantic Ocean. The Castles and well crafted bier need me.

But yea..Instead of the USA , we should be the USRA.
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Age : 20 Joined : 21 Jul 2007 Posts : 2022

I think the problem is with the 95% if they can't get organized enough to actually do something about an issue. Half-caring isn't grounds to complain on. And putting a video up on YouTube doesn't count as activism.
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A Mere Peasant Age : 30 Joined : 08 Dec 2007 Posts : 4484

TO be honest..this country's never done anything for me in return for my allegiance and hard work and obedience to the laws. Except..

sell me out to slave labor from the South,

make things difficult for me because of not being Hispanic... ( When I was younger my parents had to lie and say I was hispanic too get me into a non-gang violent high school)... and

rape me financially on taxes, so they could provide welfare to bums and illegals.

..to mention a few things

yea..We're the greatest country on earth!.........*COugh*-Bullcrap-*Coung, Cough*..
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Mission Of One Age : 38 Joined : 03 Jan 2007 Posts : 5408

To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't mind the commercialism of Christmas so much if it were just a total secular holiday. I would not mind so much if Christmas (the religious expression) and Christmas (the secular celebration) were separated, and allowed to grow/morph into whatever they will without the other.
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