http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=19924a6fe66e887a436b

My thoughts are, there are probably a lot of people out there that need to hear something like this. God bless and hope everyone had a good weekend, it is back to work....bummer.

Dude, this video is awesome! We need to raise our standards of holiness and righteousness everyday. I have heard people talk about how they love horror flicks and bands like slayer and how that is ok. because what is good for one person may not be for the next. People are lying to themselves when they think it is ok to indulge in certain things. It's a matter of one not wanting to give up there sin. and just trying to find a way to justifiy sin in ones life. It's all vain deceit diluted by mans OPINION.

I didn't watch the video, my computer at home is so slow that if I tried to it would take a month just to get it to buffer...

Since I made a similar argument in another thread here, I will say this about the comment about justifying listening to Slayer... which I don't do much of, by the way.... but, we're kidding ourselves if we think watching a movie or listening to Slayer is going to send us to hell.

There hasn't been a song written or movie produced that watching it will get you into Heaven. Likewise, there aren't any that will send you to Hell, either.

It very much depends on where you come from personally on how that stuff effects you. I will give you the point that it might be tougher to be close to God listening to some bands or watching some movies... I've walked out of movies that crossed those lines and I've shown up late to shows or left shows early to avoid seeing bands that I had no desire to see, from a spiritual point of view. But, my line and your line may be different depending on our walk and where we are at in it. That's not me trying to justify sin in my life or not wanting to give up my sin... who are you or anyone else to say what is a sin?

You could sin by getting too wrapped up in teaching your Sunday School Class or coaching your kids football team or by devoting too much time to school... if you don't know how to deal with it, anything can drive a wedge between you and God. I have no doubt that some things people get worked up over as being sinful to some people simply isn't a sin at all.

I'm not going to justify listening to blatantly blasphemous lyrics or the like. I do think, though, that a "one size fits all" brand of religion is very dangerous. God works with each of us in His own way. A new Christian may have a tough time putting a band like a Slayer or Marilyn Manson in their place and keeping that stuff in perspective, but to a more seasoned Christian it may not be a problem.

I'm sure I've just ignited a powder keg and I don't mean to, really. I just think, as Christians, we do a lot of telling other people when they sin instead of just loving them and nudging them in the right direction. We all sin and fall short...

I think it's the other way around.

The mature "spirit" minded christian would tend to be more sensitive to "EVIL" and be repulsed by it.

The "baby" christian would be more likely to have a hard time giving up "EVIL".

That is a biblical principle taught throughout the New Testament.

Personally, I didn't have to accept Jesus as Saviour or surrender my life to Him. I just listened to a Degarmo and Key album over and over and got saved automatically because they were preaching a Pure Gospel message.


Albums can do that to you, you know.

That's not the point... God can use anything to save us, true... He could use the most evil, blasphemous song, if that's what He chose to do...

He is God. He is bigger than all that. The point I was making is songs or movies themselves don't send us to Heaven or condemn us to Hell. That's selling God a bit short, in my opinion.

Your relationship with God is the important thing. I couldn't care less what movies or music you listen to. Where is your heart?

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I think it's the other way around. The mature "spirit" minded christian would tend to be more sensitive to "EVIL" and be repulsed by it. The "baby" christian would be more likely to have a hard time giving up "EVIL". That is a biblical principle taught throughout the New Testament.

That's pretty much what I said... A mature Christian would be more sensitive to where that line is... but they would also realize that a horror film or song isn't going to send them the Hell.

A less mature Christian would be more influenced by things they hear and see and more vulnerable to those forces.

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Of coarse a movie or a song won't send you to hell! But sin in a persons life will send them to hell. IMO indulging in sinFULL movies and music is sinning. now you don't have to agree with that. Again that is my belief. I am not condemming anyone for watching movies or listening to bands like slayer. Those who indulge in such things are doing a good enough Job on there own. Proverbs 19:10 It is not Good to show PARTIALITY to the wicked, or to overthrow the righteous in JUDGMENT. Glory to God!

You have to ask yourself sometimes: Do I hate sin as much as God? God takes sin and burns it for eternity, and won't allow a speck of it inside his kingdom. That is unmatched hatred.

But does this mean hate sinners? No. Show love for them, because they're sick. Sick children being eaten by this parasite called sin. Give them the prescription, the gospel.

Bro, I know you are being sincere, and it is good for us to encourage each other to live holy lives and avoid sin. But let's break this down and look at what you are saying. You probably don't mean for it to come out this way, but this is how I am interpreting what you are saying.

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Of coarse a movie or a song won't send you to hell! But sin in a persons life will send them to hell.

No it won't. Sin in a person's life might have a tendency to harden their hearts to the voice of the Holy Spirit, and over the course of time, they might end up in hell, but no one will be in hell for their sins. The only thing that sends a person to hell is their rejection of the provision that God has made for their sin through the atoning death of Christ.

If we could put ourselves in hell by sinning, it stands to reason that we could also save ourselves by living right, and I doubt you would agree with that.

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IMO indulging in sinFULL movies and music is sinning. now you don't have to agree with that. Again that is my belief.

So if listening to certain music and watching certain movies is sin, and you say that "sin in a person's life will send them to hell", then logically, we can conclude that you are saying that listening to Van Halen or watching a horror film will send me to hell. Again, I don't think that's what you mean to say, but can you see how it comes off that way?

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I am not condemming anyone for watching movies or listening to bands like slayer. Those who indulge in such things are doing a good enough Job on there own. Proverbs 19:10 It is not Good to show PARTIALITY to the wicked, or to overthrow the righteous in JUDGMENT. Glory to God!

See and once again this reeks of self righteous condemnation.

Do you remember the parable of the Pharisee and the publican? One went away having been forgiven and one went away still condemned because of his arrogance and self righteous pride because he was "better than this man". Jesus loved to hang out with sinners (though He did not condone their sin), but He never failed to show disdain for the self righteous church people who thought they were doing so well and living such holy lives.

I hope that you are not in that category, but that is how you are coming off with posts like this.

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Have you even watched the video that this thread is talking about? I am saying that we should stay away from wickedness like slayer and horror movies and all unholy things. God takes no pleasure in wickedness. I have the right to judge sin all day long everyday. and if that sounds self righteous to you. I don't know what to tell you.. I am saying WILLFULL SIN and WILLFULLY indulging in sin is what will send people to hell. I used to Willfully get drunk and WILLFULLY get high and listen to evil music and act like a fool and call my self a christian and attend church and I said the sinners prayer and everything. If I would have died in my sin I would have gone to hell. But when I was REBORN and and turned from my WICKED WAYS and began to live a HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS life. I was set free from all unholy and unrighteous indulgence. We should Strive for holiness and righteousness in our lives and QUIT DEFENDING WHAT IS SIN AND WHAT IS NOT SIN. WE ALL KNOW IN OUR HEARTS WHAT IS SIN AND WHAT IS NOT SIN. So when one says that listening to slayer is not sin they are lying to themselves. You keep saying I sound self righteous and judgemental. Well I happen to think that you come off as a mamby pamby milk toast limp wristed christian who wants to defend everything accept holiness, righteousness, and purity!

Can anyone say Westboro Baptist Church? Sure, I knew you could.

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the only part in this video I did NOT agree with at all was the part he said about God being the one to bring condemnation. In the light of 2 Corinthians 7:10 how can anyone say that. God brings the sorrow that makes us feel sorry that we sinned against Him and we repent because of that. without that we would have no true repentance. My goodness if I listened to the voice of condemnation all the time I would have already shot myself in the head. Believe me, I hear the voice that tells me to do that EVERYDAY. I have for years.... Dont sit here and tell me God brings the condemnation voice....

I have problems.... I will admit it, I really dont think I am "all there". Ever seen those movies when someone is just sitting on a bed crying and then they just slowly bring the gun to their head and pull the trigger? Well... I have never gone for the gun and tried to do it but I have seen myself do that more than once in my life.

M4C, I agree with you there. God doesnt bring condemnation on us, Its satan who brings condemnation, God brings forgiveness for those who seek it. He deals justly with the saints and the sinners.

I hope that you can overcome your problems man, I really do. Ive had those kinda thoughts in the past and it is my faith in God and the strength he has given me which has pulled me through. Remember that God loves you enough that He gave His son to take your sins away, He doesnt want you to perish but to have life.

I would fight that fella over that.... the part about the condemnation.... i would. he looks bigger than me but i dont care...