saw this video this morning

theAcorn · Number of posts: 2807 Registration date: 2007-04-16

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shadow_zone · Number of posts: 502 Age: 23 Registration date: 2008-12-03

wv_metaller4christ wrote:

I would fight that fella over that.... the part about the condemnation.... i would. he looks bigger than me but i dont care...

Yeh but Id have your back and Im bigger than he is

**Tall Tyrion** · Number of posts: 10208 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-01-28

Jessrox wrote:

Have you even watched the video that this thread is talking about?

Nope... I clicked on it and waited, but it never loaded.

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I have the right to judge sin all day long everyday. and if that sounds self righteous to you. I don't know what to tell you..

And despite what you think, Christ is my judge, you're not. I find it funny that you think you are going to condemn people to hell that you know from a few dozen posts on an internet message board.

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WE ALL KNOW IN OUR HEARTS WHAT IS SIN AND WHAT IS NOT SIN.

My heart says that you are a modern day Pharisee, and are sinning by presuming to put yourself in the place of Christ. That was Satan's sin, remember? Pride? Thinking he could usurp God's place? I don't believe that God has changed His mind about it.

You are in a precarious position here. I pray that you will reject this sin and submit yourself to Christ in humility.

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You keep saying I sound self righteous and judgemental. Well I happen to think that you come off as a mamby pamby milk toast limp wristed christian who wants to defend everything accept holiness, righteousness, and purity!

Well God bless you brother. Smile

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**Tall Tyrion** · Number of posts: 10208 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-01-28

shadow_zone wrote:

If sin isnt keeping people from God, then why did Christ die for our sins?

Christ did not die for our sins, the Bible says that while we were sinners, He died for us.

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ramreb · Number of posts: 318 Age: 47 Registration date: 2008-01-28

Mrs Ramreb:I'm so glad you diidn't actually put a gun to your head, things do get better in life. Praise God. Also don't let all these conflicting philosophies by Christians get to you.Some people choose the non- judgement , personal conviction way, some the gospel and all the other books are wise advice, some are complete legalists. I have no probelms with any of the philosophies only lack of consistency/ hypocrisy.I think God condemns and tells us off but he also loves us, he is our Father. He knows some people just need alot more love, most Christians I've been fortunate to know or blog with all basically think the same.all the best Metaller

shadow_zone · Number of posts: 502 Age: 23 Registration date: 2008-12-03

Tall Tyrion wrote:

shadow_zone wrote:

If sin isnt keeping people from God, then why did Christ die for our sins?

Christ did not die for our sins, the Bible says that while we were sinners, He died for us.

Yeh and your misquoting me. Jesus Christ died to take away our sins, and in His resurection He overcame death that comes as a result of sin. So that when we die to sin, we are ressurested in Christ and have a new life.

**exo** · Number of posts: 8682 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

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QUIT DEFENDING WHAT IS SIN AND WHAT IS NOT SIN. WE ALL KNOW IN OUR HEARTS WHAT IS SIN AND WHAT IS NOT SIN.

Really? then why is there such debate over things like music, movies, the consumption of alcohol, style of dress, etc....why does one guy who'se been a Christian for 25 years not have a problem with a lot of things, and yet another brother is outright convinced the behaviors of another are sinful? Could it be that our hearts are telling us differet things? Could it be that some folks simply aren't convicted by the Spirit of the same things you are? could it be that "sin" and "conviction" are NOT the same things? Could it be that what is "in our hearts" is a matter for the individual, and NOT necessarily "universal truth" accross the broad spectrum of those who follow Christ?

You, dear brother, have an awful, AWFUL habit of displaying with pride and arrogance just exactly how "right" YOUR opinions on a given matter are, and rubbing other's faces in the fact they don't agree with you. You ABSOLUTELY ARE NOT another person's conscience. That is THE absolute archetypal Pharisaical attitude to have, and you will do FAR more damage to the Lord's cause than you will EVER comprehend if you continue in it. It takes FAR less to re-inforce someones poor opinion of Christians (which is generally based on this sort of behavior in the FIRST place) than it does to break those pre-conceptions to allow His grace and mercy to shine thru.

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**Tall Tyrion** · Number of posts: 10208 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-01-28

shadow_zone wrote:

Tall Tyrion wrote:

shadow_zone wrote:

If sin isnt keeping people from God, then why did Christ die for our sins?

Christ did not die for our sins, the Bible says that while we were sinners, He died for us.

Yeh and your misquoting me. Jesus Christ died to take away our sins, and in His resurection He overcame death that comes as a result of sin. So that when we die to sin, we are ressurested in Christ and have a new life.

And that's the kind of thinking that has people agonizing over whether or not they are "really saved" every time they sin. Sin does not keep people from God.

Look, we all blow it, even those of us who think they are living holy and rightous lives. You don't have to cheat on your wife to be a sinner, you can be a sinner just by looking at another woman with lust. If we could be justified by the works of the law, then there was no reason for Christ to die, that's why the Bible says that none of us can be saved that way. The law is a mirror that shows us how bad we really are, and a schoolmaster to teach us we need a Savious, but it can't save us. Only the blood of Christ can do that.

"Dying to sin" does not mean that we are ever at the point where we are perfect. Sure, we should not continue in willful disobediance to God, every day we should be drawing on His power to resist sin but what do you say to an alcoholic who has accepted Christ and given up the booze, only to stumble into it again in a moment of weakness? "Sorry buddy, you were never saved"? That's not grace, it's works.

John said that he was writing to Christians "that they might not sin", but right after that he wrote, that if we do sin we should confess it to God and accept His forgiveness. Too many Christians fall into the trap of thinking that God's love and acceptance of them is based on how we live, when that is the furthest thing from the truth. Christ died to cleanse us from all unrighteousness, all of our sins, not just those we committed before we came to Him, all of them.

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wv_metaller4christ · Number of posts: 584 Age: 23 Registration date: 2009-06-02

ramreb wrote:

Mrs Ramreb:I'm so glad you diidn't actually put a gun to your head, things do get better in life. Praise God. Also don't let all these conflicting philosophies by Christians get to you.Some people choose the non- judgement , personal conviction way, some the gospel and all the other books are wise advice, some are complete legalists. I have no probelms with any of the philosophies only lack of consistency/ hypocrisy.I think God condemns and tells us off but he also loves us, he is our Father. He knows some people just need alot more love, most Christians I've been fortunate to know or blog with all basically think the same.all the best Metaller

Mrs Ramreb, thank you a lot for your concern and kind words. I've talked to Mr Ramreb on here a little and both of you deffinately follow Jesus with a full heart.

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wv_metaller4christ · Number of posts: 584 Age: 23 Registration date: 2009-06-02

shadow_zone wrote:

wv_metaller4christ wrote:

I would fight that fella over that.... the part about the condemnation.... i would. he looks bigger than me but i dont care...

Yeh but Id have your back and Im bigger than he is

LOL this is still kind of cool to think about but its not right.... as followers of Christ we need to correct with meekness. I all too often fail when it comes to that. I am from Florida and have spent most of my life in West Virginia and I am a redneck as much as I hate to admit it lol.

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shadow_zone · Number of posts: 502 Age: 23 Registration date: 2008-12-03

Haha. Im from western sydney and Im a bogan more than I like to admit, which is the Aussie equivelent of a redneck. I drive an old holden with metal cranking most of the time and wear Iron maiden shirts with camo pants, typical westie..

I agree, we do need to correct with meekness. If we fight with the weapons of the enemy are we any better than they are?

wv_metaller4christ · Number of posts: 584 Age: 23 Registration date: 2009-06-02

Not meaning to totally change the subject from the thread, but all the Austrailians I have ever met, here or elsewhere have been totally cool.

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theAcorn · Number of posts: 2807 Registration date: 2007-04-16

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Really? then why is there such debate over things like music, movies, the consumption of alcohol, style of dress, etc....why does one guy who'se been a Christian for 25 years not have a problem with a lot of things, and yet another brother is outright convinced the behaviors of another are sinful? Could it be that our hearts are telling us differet things? Could it be that some folks simply aren't convicted by the Spirit of the same things you are? could it be that "sin" and "conviction" are NOT the same things? Could it be that what is "in our hearts" is a matter for the individual, and NOT necessarily "universal truth" accross the broad spectrum of those who follow Christ?

I think all of those are valid questions.

And let's put it in perspective... As a person, due to certain circumstances in my life, I completely untempted by things like alcohol and drugs. I've never drank or been high in my life. As such, a major temptation that many people are very weak when they face it doesn't phase me at all. I could be in a room full or alcohol or drugs and not be tempted at all to touch a bit of it. Some, even some Christians, couldn't do that. But, they are in a different place than where I am.

I don't think a Christian that drinks a beer or a shot of whiskey is a sinner. I don't even think that a Christian who stumbles on a weekend and gets drunk is a sinner, per se. Sure, they may have sinned, but let's not send them to Hell over a lapse in judgement. Even if they are getting drunk every weekend, it may indicate a struggle in their lives and I could do a lot better things as a brother in Christ than point fingers and condemn.

Likewise, if I hear a song, any song, I'm not moved by lyrics or influenced by them. There are lines I don't cross, like for me I simply don't listen to Mercyful Fate. That's one for me, but I realize my line isn't the same line for others and to others MF may not be an issue. I accept that...

So, it stands to reason that all of our walks put us in very different places where some issues aren't quite so black and white or wrong and right...

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shadow_zone · Number of posts: 502 Age: 23 Registration date: 2008-12-03

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that's the kind of thinking that has people agonizing over whether or not they are "really saved" every time they sin. Sin does not keep people from God.

No its not. That is what scripture teaches.

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all blow it, even those of us who think they are living holy and rightous lives. You don't have to cheat on your wife to be a sinner, you can be a sinner just by looking at another woman with lust. If we could be justified by the works of the law, then there was no reason for Christ to die, that's why the Bible says that none of us can be saved that way. The law is a mirror that shows us how bad we really are, and a schoolmaster to teach us we need a Savious, but it can't save us. Only the blood of Christ can do that.

Yes, we all do stuff up, some of us more than others, but Christ has called us to a higher standard. Jesus took away my sins when I was baptised and from that point on I had a new life in Him, I do stuff up but I have forgiveness for my sins by Jesus' blood. It was sin that seperated me from God in the first place, but by Jesus' sacrifice, my sins were washed away and I was made holy.

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"Dying to sin" does not mean that we are ever at the point where we are perfect.

We never made ourselves perfect, we are made perfect by Gods grace

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Sure, we should not continue in willful disobediance to God, every day we should be drawing on His power to resist sin but what do you say to an alcoholic who has accepted Christ and given up the booze, only to stumble into it again in a moment of weakness? "Sorry buddy, you were never saved"? That's not grace, it's works.

Thats not what Im saying, Ive stumbled many MANY times, if it were up to my works, id have no chance at salvation, but its not. My sins are gone.

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John said that he was writing to Christians "that they might not sin", but right after that he wrote, that if we do sin we should confess it to God and accept His forgiveness. Too many Christians fall into the trap of thinking that God's love and acceptance of them is based on how we live, when that is the furthest thing from the truth. Christ died to cleanse us from all unrighteousness, all of our sins, not just those we committed before we came to Him, all of them.

Too right. Thats EXACTLY what Im trying to say. Now WHY did Christ die to cleanse us of our sins if they didnt seperate us from God in the first place?
Yes we all sin, even as christians we continue to sin, but we are NOT helpless in that, we know whats a sin an what isnt, we should anyway, if we CONTINUE in our sin though, The Bible describes us as a dog that returns to its vomit and a sow which after being cleaned, goes and wallows in the mud. Being a christian is a growing process, Christs blood washes our sins away and maakes us holy, and we learn during our walk how to stay pure and also spread the good news bout how we were justified.

Im not promoting a works based salvation, if you think I am, then your taking me out of context and reading things which I havent actually said.

**Tall Tyrion** · Number of posts: 10208 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-01-28

I think we are trying to say the same thing, we are just talking past one another. You are emphasising the fact that as Christians we have the power to resist sin and lead holy lives, which is true. I am emphasizing the fact that all Christians still have a sin nature that we war against, and sometimes give in to, but that God's grace is continually extended to us and His mercy is new every morning, which is also true. They are two sides of the same coin, but I think we agree on most of these issues.

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**Black Rider** · Subject: Re: saw this video this morning Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:46 am

This reminds me of the debate Paul wrote about eating meat and what day to worship on. For one, it was sin to eat meat sacrificed to idols, to others it wasn't and his solution: be convinced in your own mind. Some areas we can agree to disagree on.

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Jessrox · Number of posts: 212 Age: 39 Registration date: 2009-09-25

Good lord! I call slayer sinfull music and Horror flicks sinfull movies and in my opinion we as christians should stay away from such unholy things and that I think it is sinfull to willfully indulge in such things that are in direct conflict with the holy spirit and that makes me a modern day pharisee! I can't imagine how you would respond if I said something about christian music or a middle of the road type movie. you might just crucify me! If this is how you react to slayer and horror flicks. I said it before, you don't have to agree with me. This is what I believe in my heart and if you don't, well that is your business.

**exo** · Number of posts: 8682 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

Jessrox wrote:

Good lord! I call slayer sinfull music and Horror flicks sinfull movies and in my opinion we as christians should stay away from such unholy things and that I think it is sinfull to willfully indulge in such things that are in direct conflict with the holy spirit and that makes me a modern day pharisee! I can't imagine how you would respond if I said something about christian music or a middle of the road type movie. you might just crucify me! If this is how you react to slayer and horror flicks. I said it before, you don't have to agree with me. This is what I believe in my heart and if you don't, well that is your business.

For the 97 thousandth time since you started spewing your feelings on the matter....what is "in direct conflict with the holy spirit" for YOU does not make it a universal truth for all believers. The problem comes in when you run off at the mouth about YOUR convictions and give the appearance that YOUR convictions should/need to be everybody elses. It's even in this last post of yours, in the second sentence, where you essentially say that all Christians need to have YOUR convictions on a matter. and THAT is the attitude you are being called on teh carpet about.

whether that's intentional or not, I don't know.....but it's become the Jessrox MO when there's ANYTHING controversial in a thread.....If you can't see that, be aware of that, and tone the act down, then I can guarantee you will have this sort of reactrion to deal with every single time. If you can't handle the reaction to the appearance your words give, then your best bet is to step away from the keys before posting, rather than reacting off the cuff.

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**Tall Tyrion** · Number of posts: 10208 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-01-28

Jessrox wrote:

Good lord! I call slayer sinfull music and Horror flicks sinfull movies and in my opinion we as christians should stay away from such unholy things and that I think it is sinfull to willfully indulge in such things that are in direct conflict with the holy spirit and that makes me a modern day pharisee! I can't imagine how you would respond if I said something about christian music or a middle of the road type movie.

LOL... what you don't seem to realize is that you are coming off the same ways as the guys from Dial-The-Truth or whoever, that say that listening to any sort of rock music is sinful. They have their convictions and they are just as strong as yours.

What would you say when one of them tells you that listening to Stryper is sinful? After all, they look like girls, which is clearly sinful, they wear skin tight spandex (sinful) and their lyrics contain curse words and could be taken to be taking about women (sinful).

Plus, they use a beat and song structure that kills plants and was shown to me used in SATANIC RITUALS when the teenaged son of a missionary played their "music" in deepest, darkest Africa. Clearly you are a sinner if you continue to listen to such filthy, perverted music.

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This is what I believe in my heart and if you don't, well that is your business.

Except it's not. You continue to tell us that if we do not share your convictions about these issues we are sinners and in danger of hellfire.

Bro believe me, I have nothing against you personally. I understand exactly where you are coming from, and I might have said some of the things you are saying ten years ago when I gave up ALL of my secular music and listened to only Christian music.

I threw away over 400 cassettes and 150 or so cds and completely renounced it. I know EXACTLY where you are coming from, and I applaud it. Ten years ago, I was in much the same situation and getting rid of music that was dragging me down spriritually was the right thing for me to do. I don't regret it.

But please understand that not everyone here is in exactly the same spot in our walks as you. Please bring your perspective to the discussion without coming off as someone who thinks that everyone has to agree with you. Cool?

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wv_metaller4christ · Number of posts: 584 Age: 23 Registration date: 2009-06-02

Upon coming back to Christ I did give up Slayer. I used to love them but like most people on here I not only felt like a hypocrite but I saw them as slandering my Father in heaven. Horror movies I havent watched at all, however I havent really felt convicted on them. I do believe in a drawn line for that but I havent really had the chance to decide where to draw mine. I listen to no songs that say "GD" in them and any other profanity is kept to a bare minimum. I do however play Call of Duty and Mortal Kombat video games all the time. No conviction came for video games. I know its fake. not real, no one getting hurt, doesnt cut in to my time I spend alone with Jesus, so I play away. I do know that it may offend someone though, so Im careful about who I play it in front of.

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