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STRUTTER777 Heaven's Metal Cowboy

Number of posts: 2111 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Prostitution Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:42 am | |
| Stats:| Quote: | [b]Here are a few stats.........
Prostitutes: Average age of entry: 14-16 yrs
Average years in prostitution: 11 Percent younger than age 18 at entry: 42% Threatened with a weapon: 78%
Physically assaulted: 82%
Raped more than five times: 73%
Current or past homelessness: 84%
As a child, was hit or beaten by a caregiver until injured or bruised: 49%
Sexually abused as a child: 65-95%
That would leave prostitution: 87%
That Need home or safe place: 78%
That Need job training: 73%
That Need health care: 58%
That Need peer support: 50%
That Need legal assistance: 42%
That Need alcohol and drug treatment: 67%
That Need Self defense training: 49%
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info from OzFox.com[/b]_________________ YOU MUST RESIST!!! "Saddam Hussein was an international criminal who deserved to be removed and punished. George Bush the father should have and could have removed him, but it took George Bush the son to do the job." -- Peter Wagner "There are terrorists who are intent on destroying the United States of America, and we will not let them." -- Paul Stanley, KISS  |
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rush75228

Number of posts: 276 Age: 53 Registration date: 2007-04-10
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:27 am | |
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STRUTTER777 Heaven's Metal Cowboy

Number of posts: 2111 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:10 pm | |
| I think it is important. I know a lot of people think it is a "victimless crime", but if most of them would leave prostitution if thet could, it raises the question of just how consensual this type of thing really is._________________ YOU MUST RESIST!!! "Saddam Hussein was an international criminal who deserved to be removed and punished. George Bush the father should have and could have removed him, but it took George Bush the son to do the job." -- Peter Wagner "There are terrorists who are intent on destroying the United States of America, and we will not let them." -- Paul Stanley, KISS  |
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Bribanez

Number of posts: 178 Registration date: 2009-08-12
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:49 am | |
| They had a choice. They could have worked at McDonald's. |
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Follower of Jesus

Number of posts: 3335 Age: 36 Registration date: 2007-04-07
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:18 am | |
| They can't support their kids with that kind of income, Bribanez. This is tragic. I agree that they are responsible for their choices, but I also believe that the church needs to reach out in love to these women, help them with their practical needs, and then introduce them to the Savior. |
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endlessfuneral2003

Number of posts: 1480 Registration date: 2007-01-01
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:29 am | |
| | Quote: | | I also believe that the church needs to reach out in love to these women, help them with their practical needs |
Yes. That's exactly what we should do. Love, not judge and then love some more. |
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alldatndensum Mission Of One

Number of posts: 10000 Age: 40 Registration date: 2007-01-03
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:48 am | |
| There are many churches in inner-city areas with programs to help women in prostitution. But, many women will not seek help as they are afraid of their pimps or unwilling to give up the drugs that often go with prostitution. _________________  "I have no desire to speak w/other tongues, I already do enough damage w/the one I have!!" - Candlemass |
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guenther
Number of posts: 166 Registration date: 2008-05-08
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:16 pm | |
| | Follower of Jesus wrote: | | They can't support their kids with that kind of income, |
Why not? There are alot of people who do support kids on that income - yes with state aid like food stamps and Wic and such - but it is still possible. The only ones I have seen who were afraid of raising their kids on that income were the ones who wouldnt give up the drugs or the lifestyle the are able to lead with that income.... |
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Angel with Attitude The Emperor Has No Clothes

Number of posts: 3479 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:32 pm | |
| In alot of the cases, it is the money they don't want to give upp and no drugs or brutal pimps are involved. Love usually is the key to ultimately placing a higher value on one's self and giving upp whatever 'benefit$ that lifestyle provides. _________________ only symbols can be twisted ,burned,spat on etc.NOTHING truly Holy can be desecrated..... - Sabbath Steve
All the Bible study tends to be head knowledge until life experiences drive that knowledge the 12-18 inches to our hearts. aldat
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Follower of Jesus

Number of posts: 3335 Age: 36 Registration date: 2007-04-07
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:59 pm | |
| | guenther wrote: | | Follower of Jesus wrote: | | They can't support their kids with that kind of income, |
Why not? There are alot of people who do support kids on that income - yes with state aid like food stamps and Wic and such - but it is still possible. The only ones I have seen who were afraid of raising their kids on that income were the ones who wouldnt give up the drugs or the lifestyle the are able to lead with that income.... |
How old are you? I can tell you that I don't do drugs and I don't have an extravagant lifestyle, and there is NO WAY I could support my family on a McDonald's salary. That is the most ludicrous thing I've heard in quite some time. It is so easy for us who live comfortably to tell someone else that they should be able to live on a salary like this. Then the same people criticize as lazy those who do rely on welfare, food stamps, etc. |
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Black Rider Man in Morph

Number of posts: 14621 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:09 pm | |
| Hmm, I supported my family for two years on $9.00 an hour. I'm not saying we shouldn't reach out, far from it, but you almost sound as if you are justifying the behavior. I know you're not but it comes across such. _________________ I don't have time for all if it, so I pick my battles. I concentrate on spotting and weeding out satanic paper, handkerchiefs (do you really want Satan that close to your nose?) and eggs. I can spot satanic eggs at Wal Mart like a frickin' drug sniffing dog.
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candlemass The Idiot Formerley Known As The Changeling

Number of posts: 3489 Age: 46 Registration date: 2007-04-08
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:24 pm | |
| It is not justifying the behaviour, there are a lot of issues involved in this, and it is also case by case. The most important thing to address is the spiritual bondage they are in. Many prostitutes/porn actors have had incredibly tragic upbringings and all manner of issues that led them to these choices, just telling them to go get a legit job isn't going to cut it. That's why I love ministries like X-Hookers for Jesus and the Pink Cross Foundation, they are reaching out to these people w/love in action. _________________ "I'm wrong about fifty percent of the time, I'm just not sure wich fifty percent!"
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Angel with Attitude The Emperor Has No Clothes

Number of posts: 3479 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:00 pm | |
| As far as the salary issue, we tend to view a Mickey Dee's salary as only able to support teenybopper needs/wants... This is far from the truth, particularly when one gets into management. I've known more than a few people who can support their family on these salaries just fine. These folks are often the first to be offered the opportunity to have their own franchise as well. | Quote: | | there are a lot of issues involved in this, and it is also case by case. The most important thing to address is the spiritual bondage they are in. Many prostitutes/porn actors have had incredibly tragic upbringings and all manner of issues that led them to these choices, just telling them to go get a legit job isn't going to cut it. |
Agreed, the radical change of heart and mind comes first. _________________ only symbols can be twisted ,burned,spat on etc.NOTHING truly Holy can be desecrated..... - Sabbath Steve
All the Bible study tends to be head knowledge until life experiences drive that knowledge the 12-18 inches to our hearts. aldat
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Bribanez

Number of posts: 178 Registration date: 2009-08-12
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:08 pm | |
| | Follower of Jesus wrote: | | They can't support their kids with that kind of income, Bribanez. This is tragic. I agree that they are responsible for their choices, but I also believe that the church needs to reach out in love to these women, help them with their practical needs, and then introduce them to the Savior. |
Then they shouldn't have kids. Or maybe their parents should have raised them better. I never got into any real trouble when I was younger because I was taught right from wrong and I knew my dad would whoop my butt. We have grown into a society where no one has any personal accountabilty and expects everyone to help and feel sorry for them when they get into a bad situation. Parents expect the schools to raise their kids and expect the television to babysit them. We glorify sex and violence on tv and make God fearing Christians look like morons. Yes, we should not judge these women and open our hearts to them. But 99% of them don't want your help. Unless you can score 'em some product! |
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Tall Tyrion

Number of posts: 10208 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-01-28
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:09 pm | |
| | Follower of Jesus wrote: | I can tell you that I don't do drugs and I don't have an extravagant lifestyle, and there is NO WAY I could support my family on a McDonald's salary. |
Why couldn't you? I know plenty of people who do it all the time. In fact, my boss took in her daughter and grandaughter after her daughter had left her husband because he was using/dealing and they lived on $4,600 for a whole year. They got WIC and food stamps, planted a garden and canned a lot of food, shopped at thrift stores, etc...
The only reason Americans think they "can't" live on less is because we think luxuries are needs. The poorest person in America is rich compared with how most of the world lives.
| Quote: | | Then the same people criticize as lazy those who do rely on welfare, food stamps, etc. |
That's because most of them are. Again, I'll use my boss as an example. She taught classes on canning, sewing, and other means of living economically to single mothers at the local Gospel Mission so that they could make the most of what they had. They attended because they were required to do so to recieve aid from the GM, but most were not even paying attention.
I know of one girl who used to wear clothes she got from the Gosple Mission and then throw them away instead of washing them because she knew she could just get more for free. Is that lazy? I think so...
It's not that everyone who is on welfare is lazy, not all are, but the percentage is frightfully high. Government social programs foster an attitude of entitlement and a lack of responsibility. Not all people on welfare give in to that mentality, but most do. It's very easy to do, unfortunately._________________ “If you make less than $250,000 your taxes will not go up. Not one dime.” BH Obama ''Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was. The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year -- now,'' Candidate Obama in 2007  |
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preacherman777
Number of posts: 161 Age: 40 Registration date: 2007-05-04
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:28 pm | |
| This is why the Bible promotes not only charity, but also responsibility and a strong work ethic. Only when the two are applied together do people rise above poverty. We always lead with love when it comes to hurting people, but the rebuilding process involves teaching them how to help themselves (whatever it takes) so they don't become dependent. We've already created way too many dependent people. This is why we end up with someone like Barak Obama. |
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Angel with Attitude The Emperor Has No Clothes

Number of posts: 3479 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:11 pm | |
| | Quote: | | It is so easy for us who live comfortably to tell someone else that they should be able to live on a salary like this. |
Uhh, I'm not living very comfortably right now at all and I'm doing everything I can to make sure my son has everything he needs, including making what we do have streeeeeeeeetch even further. I observe tons of Hispanic families around me who make lower wages and have many more children on topp of it and they do just fine. One does what they have to do as a parent of any sort of decent character. I really take exception to the underlying message here about how people shouldn't have to suffer. Sufferring is a part of life. In essence, a prostitiute is open to the kind of sufferring that can lead to her (or his, as the case can be) death, instead of the everyday incovenience/headache/stress of living on and raising a family on a lower wage than he/she is used to. So, mom who is alive, present and makes honest money, even if it's struggle for awhile.... OR... mom who is not always around but who can buy expensive toys and clothes but could leave this world earlier than she needs to through beatings, rape, STD's and/or drug/alcohol addiction. It's sufferring either way. Rebuilding your life from ground zero will almost automatically produce sufferring but usually not a sufferring that leads to early death. _________________ only symbols can be twisted ,burned,spat on etc.NOTHING truly Holy can be desecrated..... - Sabbath Steve
All the Bible study tends to be head knowledge until life experiences drive that knowledge the 12-18 inches to our hearts. aldat
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STRUTTER777 Heaven's Metal Cowboy

Number of posts: 2111 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:56 pm | |
| | Bribanez wrote: | | They had a choice. |
In some cases it appears they are abducted, heavily drugged, and forced into it._________________ YOU MUST RESIST!!! "Saddam Hussein was an international criminal who deserved to be removed and punished. George Bush the father should have and could have removed him, but it took George Bush the son to do the job." -- Peter Wagner "There are terrorists who are intent on destroying the United States of America, and we will not let them." -- Paul Stanley, KISS  |
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GODSWIZARD Play it LOUD!!

Number of posts: 17975 Age: 52 Registration date: 2007-01-06
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:14 pm | |
| Good thread.....interesting posts.....good posts.  _________________ "The 'farce' is strong with Sith Lord Obama-Wan." words of Scourge.
"Uh....You can believe me....Uh....because I never lie, and....Uh....Uh....I am always right." words of Sith Lord Obama-Wan.
Daddy likes it all, the DraíodóirDé likes it all
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Kit

Number of posts: 154 Age: 20 Registration date: 2009-06-16
 | Subject: Re: Prostitution Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:27 pm | |
| Ah yes, "consensual adults". That lingo just makes my hair stand up. As long as they're +18 and consensual, everything is peachy.  That kind of talk is what justifies all sorts of sexual immorality. In some rape cases, a woman has to consent in some way (ie, the man is holding something about her head, and she has to give sexual favors) This word "consent" is just a magic word that can be twisted to support sexual slavery of women. Every woman deserves a family of some sort, and they won't get it in prostitution. Also, I find stripping to be prostitution-lite. There's no sexual favors in the job description, but it is the sex industry. Many college girls resort to stripping to pay off college, or some some girls just need to pay the next bill. Friggen sad. _________________ "When I get hold of the big bad wolf I just push him under to drown Then I bite him in a million bits And I gobble him right down"
-Animal Crackers in My Soup by Shirley Temple... brutal
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