I haven't used in over 2, almost 3 years. Although it might seem like I have some days. ;)

Seriously though, this isn't about me/my friends EITHER Rex and I kinda regret the last part of that post. I'm just trying to from my own experience and study maybe shed some light on what the networks are saying.

It also, I guess, should be pointed out the one main difference "back then" verses now. Medical administration. Which truly is what SHOULD be legislated. They need to get off this kick and stop demonizing everything. Anyhow back on track 99% of the cases used, which perhaps some will post, dunno yet, but 99% of 'em including the side effects, the anxiety attacks, depression, ect can be avoided, used to be avoided, because Doctors were not only Educated on matters but also able to administer and monitor the doses/uses. This should be pointed out in all fairness as to why nearly everyone whom used them in the 1950's, 1960's, 1970's, ect didn't have any of these problems.

Not to say I will ever use them again, just the answer seems simple to those around them/users/former users. Make it through Doctors. Not dirty basement pharmacies in Tijuana and not in secret. Which btw, HAS to be as any Doctor discovered to be monitoring the use(outside of anti-aging uses) will lose their liscense to practice medicine. When every negative could be prevented. Now THAT is crazy.

Anyways this has verred offtopic so to bring it somewhat back ON topic....

Apparently empty wine bottles and beer cans were found by Benoit
He either told someone and they posted it or he posted it on Wikipedia his wife was dead 14 hours before the discovery
He was according to Chris Jericho very reserved and quiet(seems like they all are)
I think the domestic dispute over his son was touched apon earlier and apparently there was familial problems prior to this

Will post more as I find it...

This is an interesting thread to read.

Sad.......

But interesting.

This man......this Benoit dude......was one sick little puppy.

The murder of Nancy sounds as though it could have been quite violent.

From there who knows... maybe he felt the only way out after that was suicide and he didn't want Daniel to be left alone... Just speculating.

It's a terrible situation...

Interesting speculation, Acorn. I rather agree with it. I feel intimately sad for his wife, his son, his self, and these circumstances. A number of factors contributed to these untimely deaths.

In one extent, I blame the fans (myself included, though not nearly as much a fan as I was ten years ago). Their desire for action, for over-the-top personas, has led another person to suffer/do the unthinkable. The fans allowed themselves to get caught up in the hype without thought of the repercussions. I'm not saying its the fans who directly led him to commit such travesties, but they did contribute to his demise.

Our collective bloodlust has led us to push another fellow human over the edge. People died in the name of entertainment. In this case, it was indirect...the deaths resulted because of Benoit's deisre to be the best in our eyes. In other cases (e.g. Owen Hart), the blame has been more direct. Either way, our desire for over-the-top entertainment, for heroes and villains who can dish out and suffer physical pain for the sake of entertainment, shares in the blame. It sickens me to think that someone died trying to entertain me (even if indirectly in this case).

Similarly, I also blame the promoters for allowing their desire for the almighty $ to allow them to look beyond the health and well-being of their independent contractors. The bloodlust of the public and the desires of their wallet come before the well-being of their employees.

On another note, now it has come out that Nancy (Benoit's wife) filed for divorce a few years ago, and feared he would become violent, to the point of filing for additional protection. The divorce petition was later retracted. Its sad that a gut feeling is so often correct in such cases, and that "stereotypes" are often sickingly true. We saw it here...a gut feeling with insight into the situation...although it was quickly dismissed. While there are always exceptions to the rule, its not always fair to dismiss a point-of-view that speaks from knowledge of human experience. Sadly, it seems that such knowledge was correct in this particular case.

Overall, I am extremely sickened and saddened by this situation. Although I don't think its fair to legislate McMahon and similar promoters to the Nth degree, I think something must be done to persuade them to further consider the well being of their employees and the families of said employees. This doesn't just relate to wrestling, either. Other sports have similar issues, even if they don't have the same spin in their press coverage.

I'll second that astute observation with Scriptural affirmation:


13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. 15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
(James 1:13-15, NIV)

Welllll, I agree (to a point) with what Strutter and scourge are saying.

It seems that an integral part of any news story involving (relatively) minor misconduct *Paris Hilton* all the way up to huge disasters *South Lake Tahoe Fire* is finding someone or something to blame it on.

Somebody call me when they bring back the lions and the whole "thumbs-up/thumbs down" from the crowd. Until then, it's all just a huge bore to me...

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It seems that an integral part of any news story involving (relatively) minor misconduct *Paris Hilton* all the way up to huge disasters *South Lake Tahoe Fire* is finding someone or something to blame it on.

That was hilarious in the context that here in America in 2007 "Nothing, nowhere, by nobody, is anybody's fault any more"

Love it. N--O--T!!

Personal responsibility died awhile ago in this country.

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I needed to be more clear. The blame for these crimes falls squarely on the person who commited them - Chris Benoit (in all rational likelihood). The blame I was addressing in my last post was speaking more to the circumstances that led or contributed to the situation and Chris' stability issues. To that end, I think Benoit, McMahon & other promoters, and the fans all share in the blame to some extent (though not equally).

Well, in the most basic of terms, yes, evil people do evil things...


But, to many, Chris wasn't an evil person. Now, granted, I lay all responsibility on Chris and have said so. At my board and Arttie's wrestling board, I've probably came down hardest on Chris out of anyone.

That said, I think it would be a mistake to chalk things up to 'Oh well, he did it because he was evil.' There are a lot of specifics to be determined by thorough investigation. That doesn't mean we're trying to blame his evil on something else...

^ Exactly...

Paladin-Dude, tell us how you really feel.
Though I agree, to a point, there is no denying that our circumstances play a part with how we act/react to things. If my parents smoke my chances are higher I will too and that sort of thing. In the end it's a choice a person makes but maybe we could make it easier to make right choices.

Steroids were not the only circumstances I was speaking of.

Whether or not steroids were involved, Chris Benoit was pushed to the point where he snapped. Evidence says he reached that point more than once over the past several years, based upon the divorce papers filed (and later retracted) by his wife three or four years ago.

I believe he was probably involved with steroids at some point(s) in his life. I also agree that these circumstances don't seem indicative of the typical 'roid rage.

Regardless of the steorid question, the man was pushed to the point where the unthinkable occurred. He is responsible for his actions, but the people who were helping push him share a small part of the blame, IMO. No, the fans and Vince should not be brought to trial over this.

It seems that too many times has the drive for extreme performance, insane levels of physical punishment, and jaw-dropping stunts contributed to the demise of another human. Such demise has been direct (e.g. Owen Hart) and indirect (e.g. "Bam Bam" Bigelow, who died of overdose of cocaine and benzodiazepine). I don't know what the answer is; I don't think legal sanctions are the right way to address the problem. I think the fans, promoters and athletes need to step back and think before they continue to push so hard, though.

It's the whole business, the big machine that doesn't care about it's employees. It's all bad. At the same time, there are still a lot of wrestlers who could still be called good role models to an extent - maybe they just had more strength in some areas, maybe not - and at the same time, people should consider how far they want to go in the business, when to say enough is enough, and such...



I would square more blame on people not helping when wrestlers *are* in need and in trouble, rather than for wrestlers getting caught up in trouble in the first place...

I guess it's easier to make excuses rather than rock the boat and try to save these guys lives...