I'm now leaning toward some kind of depression or something. From what I know of roid rage, it's an impulsive thing; the person explodes then it's over. Benoit dragged this out over 3 days. Sounds like something more psychological than pharmacological.

Very shocking, i still can barely believe it

Very sad. We'll have to wait and see but I have heard taking 'roids can lead to depression. I'll have to investigate further. Does anyone know more?

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Angel with Attitude wrote: It usually is the case that the man becomes extremely despondent about the finances/bills or the relationship having difficulties. So he 'solves' it by coming home, killing the kids, then the wife, then himself. Very sad news indeed. Well, let's not generalize too much now. Phil Hartman ring any bells?

I wasn't speaking on the culpability in THIS particular case or just offering up random gender bias. It occurs where there is no use of steroids. It is a trend mentioned more and more frequently in the news.

I'm not sure if psychologists have coined a term as of yet for this phenomenon.

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It is sad and I understand and can identify with your feelings on the situation Shred. It is one of those cases where you know what he did was beyond horrible yet there is a place in our heads and hearts that we just want know why.....as the Lt. said "I dont think we will ever wrap our head around that".

Just very sad.

One thing that really burns me up is the fact that while his coworkers talk about how nice he was and how he loved his family....they are in the business themselves and a good percentage of them are probably on steroids themselves. This should be a wake up call. I also think Mcmahon needs to be held responsible some as well cuz Im sorry.....Im pretty sure he had a clue to Benoits steroid use as he probably does others in his employment......but that is just speculation I reckon.

My brother is a minor-league wrestler himself. He's wrestled and been on cards with guys who were once big league draws...Greg Valentine, The Barbarian (who will be his best man @ his wedding soon), Ricky Morton, Road Warrior Animal, Ricky Steamboat, Abdullah The Butcher, George South, Nikita Koloff, etc...

He says that the vast majority of them are strung out on the alcohol/painkillers combo (plus cocaine for a lot of them) and that a bunch of them are mentally "off"...once your mental state gets compromised, crap like this happens.

A lot of them are generally nice guys, but the lifestyle of getting thier butts kicked every other night for 30 years has definitely taken more than its toll on them mentally & physically.

He told me that, even the ones who get clean (no steroids, narcotics or alcohol) eventually die just from their hearts giving out.

What's your brother's wrestling name?

Buz

He was part of a tag-team for a few years called Damage, Inc.

Here's his MySpace page:

http://www.myspace.com/damageinc_buz

The alcohol/painkiller combo will put anybody into depression. Add the stress of trying stay at the top of the heap and it's a bad recipe. Here's hoping wrestling will take notice and act.

I just saw on the news that Benoit was giving his son human growth hormone. This just gets sicker and sicker.

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An official who is part of the investigation told CNN that Benoit's name was on receipts that indicated he had purchased shipments of anabolic steroids and human growth hormones from Signature Pharmacy, an Orlando, Florida, facility that is at the center of a nationwide investigation into the sale of illegal steroids. As the investigation unfolded Wednesday, details about events inside the home began to emerge. Needle marks were found in Daniel's arm, said Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard. He said authorities suspect "that the boy had been taking growth hormones for quite some time," and are hoping to prove that with toxicology. The boy, Ballard said, was diagnosed with a form of dwarfism.

Maybe the HGH was legit. Or could be a bogus diagnosis just to administer HGH.

Here's still more:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286924,00.html

it gets sadder with every detail. how very unfortunate.

Let me try and compose this the best way possible. Virtually every Media outlet covering this is using an unfortunate very sad and very disturbing tragedy to fuel an agenda...

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One thing that really burns me up is the fact that while his coworkers talk about how nice he was and how he loved his family....they are in the business themselves and a good percentage of them are probably on steroids themselves.

There's a million people across the continent(at least) who have or currently use Anabolic Steroids. About 89% of Professional Athletes. A million people that AREN'T psychopaths. That HAVEN'T calmly plotted and carried out murders on their family members. That haven't calmly made phone calls to their friends and employer. That have absolutely nothing to do with the actions of ONE psychopath.

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This should be a wake up call.

Wake up to what? That people are killing one another at record pace in America? I'm sure they're aware just like the rest of us. I'm also sure those teenagers that murdered that 16 year old girl and dumped her body in AZ weren't on Steroids. I'm sure that cop in Ohio that killed his girlfriend and unborn child also wasn't. Just like the other hundreds of murders carried out every year.

... And Athletes/regular people will continue to function successfully in life while using Steroids as they have always done. Because the psychotic mind of one man? Wasn't "the roids". And despite what the TV and Media in America with their pseudo-professionals are saying on TV, this isn't common, isn't a side effect, and isn't the result of.

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I also think Mcmahon needs to be held responsible some as well cuz Im sorry.....Im pretty sure he had a clue to Benoits steroid use as he probably does others in his employment......

He uses them himself. Sure he probably has a clue. But once again, read above and my earlier post. Vince McMahon should not be held responsible nor made the scapegoat for ANY of this. He didn't know Benoit was mentally unstable, he didn't make him that way, didn't hand him the murder weapons, didn't watch it happen, and had no clue it happened.

I'm not trying to attack you dude, but this same BS has been all over the news and radio the past two days and frankly i'm tired of hearing it. These past few days have been the most biased reporting I have EVER seen. There is alot of misinformation being slung which is not only UNTRUTHFUL but disrespectful to Nancy and Daniel Benoit. They shouldn't be being used to further an agenda the Media/Gov't has going on.

What i'm going to say now might not sit well with folks. I can't help that. But i'm tired of all of this so i'm gonna say it. I've used Steroids before, several times. I've been around them and users for over a decade. I've been researching them for 13+ years. Among chemical substance use in general. Alot of it is common sense stuff.

Now, you want to know the reality of matters? What these so called experts and out of shape never been in a Gym in their lives media pundits are saying is only HALF true and very narrow. Everything they keep pointing to... the rage, depression spells, mental instability... all of that. It is there before Steroid use. Before ANY chemical use. Anything you use that alters chemical balance in your body COULD heighten those imbalances. Alcohol, drugs, steroids, tobacco, OTC meds, caffeine, sleeping pills, there's alot of things that can.

It boils down to... personal responsibility. The blame game of substances is an easy way out. The issues were there before anyone used any of these substances and they made the choice. They weren't careful or whatever that was a choice. People need to know their limitations. Chris Benoit made his choice. And didn't "rage". As I said in that other post, "roid rage" is alot different then what speculation says happened. I know. I've experienced it and witnessed it countless times. As have the Wrestlers such as Superstar Graham who made an attempt to set the record straight.

Take it further ANY sort of substance induced rage.... isn't like this. This was psychopathy. If he was raging as they keep saying, and at the level it would take there is NO WAY NO HOW he would've had the mental ability to not only plot this but spread it out over several days, wouldn't have been put Bibles beside the bodies and absolutely would NOT have been able to calmly lie to friends and his employer. Nor craft such lies. Pure psychopathy.

Great post, bro.

INCREDIBLY odd to see you defend McMahon in ANY way....lol

This whole thing doesn't have the hallmarks of ANY sort of chemically induced "rage" incident. If ANYTHING the hallmarks are those of a complete mental breakdown......

if there is a link between the drugs and the events that occured, then people will make an outcry.

it's true that it's his own fault for using the drugs and various other substances that may have heightened the condition. but it still stands to reason that the substance amplified pre-existing conditions.

now maybe this is being used to focus on the wrong problem, but when the drug being raged against has already caused the deaths of other people i say why not sooner?

someone's having roid rage right now.






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