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GODSWIZARD Play it LOUD!!

Number of posts: 17975 Age: 52 Registration date: 2007-01-06
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bgast1

Number of posts: 458 Age: 58 Registration date: 2007-04-07
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:34 pm | |
| I tell my kids about Obama-wan's schenanigans and all they do is make fun of me. Remember this we are in for CHANGE you can believe in!!!!! I PMed someone asking where I should move to and pitch my tent. |
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bgast1

Number of posts: 458 Age: 58 Registration date: 2007-04-07
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:41 pm | |
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GODSWIZARD Play it LOUD!!

Number of posts: 17975 Age: 52 Registration date: 2007-01-06
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:44 pm | |
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bgast1

Number of posts: 458 Age: 58 Registration date: 2007-04-07
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:48 pm | |
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Black Rider Man in Morph

Number of posts: 14613 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:04 pm | |
| | Quote: | Well, take that list to it's logical end point and you get what we have now. People are looking for any and every reason to have the government nanny them and it's obliging. Never mind that it's burying us and if it continues we the Feds will soon be like California.
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| Quote: | you have a similar problem for a significant portion of the populace (excess poverty, poor life conditions) when you swing to hard EITHER direction. Has little to do with the system of governance and EVERYTHING to do with mankind's basic selfish nature and general lack of compassion for fellow men.
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Maybe. I've never actually heard of extreme capitalism. Oh, I know, you can point to late 19th to early 20th century America but if you look it up, life spans were rising, education was increasing for many, and overall quality of life was on the rise. And I would say it's not the responsibility of the government to provide for everyone. It should be the families and the Church and the government should stay out of the way. _________________ I don't have time for all if it, so I pick my battles. I concentrate on spotting and weeding out satanic paper, handkerchiefs (do you really want Satan that close to your nose?) and eggs. I can spot satanic eggs at Wal Mart like a frickin' drug sniffing dog.
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Gone

Number of posts: 969 Registration date: 2008-12-03
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:22 pm | |
| | Quote: | Maybe. I've never actually heard of extreme capitalism. Oh, I know, you can point to late 19th to early 20th century America but if you look it up, life spans were rising, education was increasing for many, and overall quality of life was on the rise. And I would say it's not the responsibility of the government to provide for everyone. It should be the families and the Church and the government should stay out of the way. |
Extreme capitalism is still in play in Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emriate and some South American Countries.
On a side note- WW2 was actually a Capitalist affair.
IG Farben.. the german Business tycoon, who owned smaller companies like Bayer Aspirin and a bunch of other brand names you woudl recognize.. was actually funded by Wall Street and was also the man who both Put Hitler in Power and made it financially possible for the Nazi war Machine to conduct it's conquest.
Similiarly , Henry Ford and GM both helped build up both the US and Nazi military vehicles.. even during the war.
Infact, Henry ford recievd over a million dollars in compensation from the US government for one of it's Ford Werke plants that got bombed by the Allies.. in Germany, during ww2.
Unrestrained Capitalism always leads to Tyranny. Just as unrestrained Socialism does.
Just as branches of Government must have checks and balances... Socialism and Capitalism have been used as the most successful check and balance of each other that currently exists in the present world of political philosophies.
There is not one prosperous and stable country on earth that does not utilize both Socialism and Capitalism within it's framework. Not one.
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STRUTTER777 Heaven's Metal Cowboy

Number of posts: 2111 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:54 pm | |
| LOL! Since when does economic freedom need to be kept in check??? Too much freedom leads to tyranny? Really? Who says? Fidel Castro? Chairman Mao?_________________ YOU MUST RESIST!!! "Saddam Hussein was an international criminal who deserved to be removed and punished. George Bush the father should have and could have removed him, but it took George Bush the son to do the job." -- Peter Wagner "There are terrorists who are intent on destroying the United States of America, and we will not let them." -- Paul Stanley, KISS  |
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Black Rider Man in Morph

Number of posts: 14613 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:19 am | |
| I can agree partially with Ash. I am for laws agains monopolies and I appreciate shorter work weeks and laws against using and abusing children in sweatshops. I'm very against the government handing out of money, price controls, bailouts and almost any interference into the actual financial part of business. _________________ I don't have time for all if it, so I pick my battles. I concentrate on spotting and weeding out satanic paper, handkerchiefs (do you really want Satan that close to your nose?) and eggs. I can spot satanic eggs at Wal Mart like a frickin' drug sniffing dog.
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exo

Number of posts: 8671 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:52 pm | |
| As I said, there IS a line, that once crossed, creates problems. Where, exactly, that line is, I'm not so sure...... _________________ Obama is no more the Anti-Christ than George Bush is Sauron, sending his armies into Iraq searching for the One Ring.....
Dwarven gravitational theory states that enough ale will make anything fall down.
Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"
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exo

Number of posts: 8671 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:58 pm | |
| | GODSWIZARD wrote: | The last three posts above.....good posts, interesting posts.
Exo said this:
| Quote: | | ....the variouos monetized securities of the world and it's great cultures are all....intertwined to a point that if one of the LARGE economic powers goes down, it will drag numerous others with it.... |
That is exactly what happened in the 1930s after the economic crash in America in 1929. When the U.S.A. economically crashed it took the entire rest of the developed world with it. Just imagine what will happen this time around.....it's coming. When.....I don't know, but......it is coming.
All the increasing talk by the political and economic *movers and shakers* about a one world economic system (and by default, a one world government) that would not have been heard 30 years ago.....are rather......interesting.
This post of mine, and the last three above it put it in some perspective.
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It should be pointed out that there is indeed a difference THIS time around, in that in 1929, it crashed, and took everything with it. This time around, action was taken BEFORE we had a full blown collapse like 29. and there was a TON of cash injected into the system by a few VERY rich entities...AFTER the crash had already happened, to jump start the economy back up.
That's a key difference, and WHY we haven't expereiced the same sort of cataclysmic effects THIS TIME....we had watchdogs that set off alarms (though, IMO, it was STILL a late reaction) BEFORE we hit the same level of catastrophic collapse, rather than REACTING to the collapse AFTER it happened. Thats a KEY difference. _________________ Obama is no more the Anti-Christ than George Bush is Sauron, sending his armies into Iraq searching for the One Ring.....
Dwarven gravitational theory states that enough ale will make anything fall down.
Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"
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Gone

Number of posts: 969 Registration date: 2008-12-03
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:49 pm | |
| Socialist practices are what stabilizes a country from falling into a great depression. For example.. Unemployment insurance was created of that very purpose.. to stabilize the economy.. so that it takes less of an over-all hit when there are large fluctuations of job loss. Unemployment insurance is Socialist. Unemployment did not exist in 1929. The Federal Reserve was created to follow suit with what the British discovered during their economic collapse during the same period in 1929... that if the government temporarily stabilized large banks and business's.. it could hugely aid in stopping an economic free-fall. Of course, the Federal Reserve and Bailing out Banks is a Socialist practice.. and has a long history of both being an "uncomfortable thing to do" and of also stabilizing economies that are free-falling. Also, I find it interesting that Reagan still has the record of passing the largest Economic Stimulus bill, even over Obama's. It was way over a trillion dollars and he boasted years after it was passed that it was a huge success. If one has to choose between the Unconstitutional Bailing out of certain banks and industries and the allowing of a Recession to turn into a Depression... I believe 99 percent of people would choose the Unconstitutional Danger.. over the not being able to afford food. |
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bgast1

Number of posts: 458 Age: 58 Registration date: 2007-04-07
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:50 pm | |
| IMO Socialist practices make people lazy, and drain the economy. I despise socialism. |
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Uncle NecRo

Number of posts: 1467 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:35 pm | |
| BAH! ...the creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which...  _________________  |
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Gone

Number of posts: 969 Registration date: 2008-12-03
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:43 pm | |
| | bgast1 wrote: | | IMO Socialist practices make people lazy, and drain the economy. I despise socialism. |
A country where people are allowed to be lazy is a free country. Leisure can be the cornerstone of productivity, as well. |
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alldatndensum Mission Of One

Number of posts: 9988 Age: 40 Registration date: 2007-01-03
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:30 am | |
| | Quote: | | A country where people are allowed to be lazy is a free country. Leisure can be the cornerstone of productivity, as well. |
But at a price. Those who are willing to work hard carry the burden of the lazy as the gov't. FORCES them to pay more in taxation. True freedom would be when the lazy are allowed to suffer in the consequences of own choices. Then, they are free--not when they are fed by the hands of those willing to work._________________  "I have no desire to speak w/other tongues, I already do enough damage w/the one I have!!" - Candlemass |
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Black Rider Man in Morph

Number of posts: 14613 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:03 am | |
| Good point alldat. As i've said, there probably needs to be some oversight but we're so far past that we have created a welfare society that is bankrupt. _________________ I don't have time for all if it, so I pick my battles. I concentrate on spotting and weeding out satanic paper, handkerchiefs (do you really want Satan that close to your nose?) and eggs. I can spot satanic eggs at Wal Mart like a frickin' drug sniffing dog.
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Gone

Number of posts: 969 Registration date: 2008-12-03
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:27 pm | |
| Welfare society does not equal loss of productivity, per capita. ( per individual) If that was true... Austria and Germany.. which have more Welfare than we do.. and work MUCH LESS that we do, would not have a much higher productivity level per capita that the average US woker does. They have more leisure time, work less hours and yet produce more per person, then we do. I believe this has to do with the fact that their many Socialist Systems are run more efficiently and better. So..can welfare (Socialist) systems be run badly..? Absolutely. For example.. that is one of the reasons why the Healthcare system NEEDS to be reformed. Medicare and MEdicaid.. while being very successful for the most part.. do have flaws. Financially.. as well as in other areas. Does that mean that any Social welfare system is a bad thing? OF course not. Find your average lower and middle class retired person and tell them that their Medicare is bad and teh only reason they need it is that they are too lazy... and see how they feel about that. |
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bgast1

Number of posts: 458 Age: 58 Registration date: 2007-04-07
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tohostudios

Number of posts: 4410 Registration date: 2007-04-07
 | Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:49 pm | |
| Today the House voted for another 2 billion dollars for the Cash For Clunkers plan. In the several days this plan has been in effect, the government so vastly underestimated the demand that this emergency measure was necessary. Do you really want an organization this inept at predicting demand to be in charge of your health care? I don't. _________________ "The banner of loud and rebellious music will never die. It just gets older." - GODSWIZARD
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