Obama administration discussion thread

**Tall Tyrion** · Number of posts: 10208 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-01-28

I've been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Smart, but miguided... I disagree with him, but I can respect him...

That's all over now. This man is an idiot.

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GODSWIZARD · Play it LOUD!! Number of posts: 17975 Age: 52 Registration date: 2007-01-06

He's NEVER had the "benefit of the doubt" with me. NEVER. Not since long before he became POTUS and I researched him, and his career--both--since before it started and since entering the public arena in Chicago.

He makes me sick. Neutral

I love Sith Lord Obama--Wan.

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FireStormWarning · Subject: Re: Obama administration discussion thread Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:48 pm

What I think we all miss, is that, in many ways, that very enslavement is what many American people want. Sad

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My original post:

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"Logical fallacies: "We have 32 people being murdered by guns every day in this country. If peanut butter or pistachio nuts or spinach killed that number of people once in one day, they'd be pulled by the FDA." --Michael Wolkowitz, member of the board of trustees for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence **Apply that logic to alcohol or automobiles and see where it gets you."

The original post by Metalheadz:

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GODSWIZARD wrote:

"Logical fallacies: "We have 32 people being murdered by guns every day in this country. If peanut butter or pistachio nuts or spinach killed that number of people once in one day, they'd be pulled by the FDA." --Michael Wolkowitz, member of the board of trustees for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence **Apply that logic to alcohol or automobiles and see where it gets you."

How is this a logical fallacy? Guns are made to kill creatures, cars and alcohol aren't.

You added qualifiers. Don't add qualifiers. It does not work if one (as you have done) adds a selection (chosen by you to MAKE IT SAY WHAT IT DOES NOT SAY) of qualifiers. As it was stated by me, it is an entirely silly statement, and comment upon that statement, i've quoted.

If you like it....great. If you don't like and don't agree with it....oh well.

From a post by ShadowZone:

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This whole debate is pointless and it was GW who I would assume is against gun restrictions who brought it up anyway.

Two thoughts:

A--It is totally pointless, indeed. Arguing, differing, and being stridently vocal (wordy in posting to defend one's POV) is utterly pointless IMO, in bringing the differing person(s) to accept one's POV and change their POV. I seldom do such a thing......you'll notice my distinct lack of posts on this thread......as an indicator of what i've just said.

B--Gun control sucks. Now you don't have to "assume" any more.

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metalheadz · Number of posts: 687 Age: 18 Registration date: 2007-04-07

Black Rider wrote:

How is it against the teachings of Jesus to defend my family? Should I let an intruder hurt my family? If you are referring to Matthew 5, I think that text has been misused to say we shouldn't defend when it's talking about being insulted. Jesus is referring to daily situations where we may feel we want revenge to save face. It's not referring to defending in possible violent situations.Don't misunderstand me, i'm not for violence for it's own sake but if someone breaks in with intent to harm i'm not going to spend much time trying to talk him out of it.

1. I've always interpreted it as advocating pacifism, and loving treatment of wrong-doers. I'd be interested as to how you came to your interpretation. May I ask how?

2. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you should allow your family to be harmed, if I get married and start a family I wouldn't let them come to harm. However, I will state my view as a pacifist. I believe that my options are not limited to fighting. One option is too flee the premises, and wait for the proper authorities to arrive. This removes you and your family from harms way and avoids unnecessary bloodshed. Another option is to change the heart of your enemy. It's not as hard as it sounds. However, If it came down to violence being my only option, it is far better to use non-lethal violence, and let the wrong-doer live, than to take his life. Of course, the home invasion scenario can be avoid by taking simple security measures, such as installing deadbolts.

3.

FireStormWarning wrote:

3. If guns are banned, then other kinds of violence will rise, and the government of the United States will see reason to ban those too. Pretty soon we'll all have our hands cut off because we MIGHT resort to fist-fighting. :/

You're missing the point of my post. Read it again.

4.

shadow_zone wrote:

If a crim went out to kill someone and they had a gun they are more likely to get away with it than if they used a knife, restrictions on guns would make it harder to get high powered weapons which have no use in civilian life.

I'd like to add that a criminal is (probably) less likely to murder someone if they have a knife instead of a gun.

5.

shadow_zone wrote:

Noahsfaith also said

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I agree that guns are made primarily to be used to shoot people, but I have no apology for that fact. There are legitimate reasons to shoot people, such as self-defense and defense of country.

There are other ways to defend yourself than using a gun which wont kill the other person. anyway its more likely the gun used to 'defend' yourself is the one you use to accidently kill a loved one.

+1. Like I said above, non-lethal force is always preferable to lethal force. Also I would like to restate something: Some people believe it's their right to shoot the intruder. The problem is that, statistically, the person shot is a burglar only 1% of the time. It's more common that the home-owner is shot instead, and it's far more common that the person the home-owner shoots is a loved one.

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shadow_zone wrote:

This whole debate is pointless and it was GW who I would assume is against gun restrictions who brought it up anyway.

Bingo. I doubt anyone is going to switch to our POV, and vice-versa. I think it comes down to our upbringing really. The pro-gun people on this thread come from a country that celebrates guns and have lax gun laws, whereas, Shadow_zone and I come from countries that very fairly strict gun control laws.

7.

FireStormWarning wrote:

Since less than 1% of gun crimes involve those weapons, Shadow_Zone, that argument's kind of pointless.

Which statistic are you using? Before the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, the statistic was 2-8%, and large capacity magazines (which the ban also covered) were in the range of 14-26%.

8. On the subject of whether or not gun control keeps guns out of criminals hands, I just remembered a quote from a book I'm currently reading:

The Political Brain wrote:

Between the time Clinton signed the Brady Bill into law in 1993 and the time George W. Bush and the Republicans let it sunset, it had prevented roughly 100,000 felons from getting guns.

9.

Tall Tyrion wrote:

Finally, there is the myth of the "assault rifle". The only difference between an assault rifle and a hunting rifle is the appearance. The bullets and calibers used are often identical, but an assault rifle has features like a folding stock, threaded barrel for a flash supressor, bayonet holder, etc... On what grounds do we justify banning a gun because it looks different? Are more crimes committed with assault rifles?

Hardly. Assault rifles were involved in less than one percent of firearms homicides when the ban was enacted in 1994 and it remained the same after it was in place and after it was lifted. The assault weapons ban had no effect whatsoever.

a. What do you consider to be a hunting rifle? The definition varies from place to place. Please give an example of a rifle.

b. The criteria for categorising a weapon as an assault rifle are:
* It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
* It must be capable of selective fire;
* It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
* Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.

How many hunting rifles are capable of full automatic fire?

10. I don't think gun ownership should be a right; it should be a privilege. Saying that every American has the right to own guns means that murderers, gang members, sadists, thieves, terrorists, anti-social* people, etc. also have the right to own guns. Obviously this is not a good idea. Some people should not be allowed guns. The simplest way is to require a licence, a background check and a waiting period when selling firearms.

*Using the clinical term.

11.

GODSWIZARD wrote:

My original post:

Quote:

"Logical fallacies: "We have 32 people being murdered by guns every day in this country. If peanut butter or pistachio nuts or spinach killed that number of people once in one day, they'd be pulled by the FDA." --Michael Wolkowitz, member of the board of trustees for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence **Apply that logic to alcohol or automobiles and see where it gets you."

The original post by Metalheadz:

Quote:

GODSWIZARD wrote:

"Logical fallacies: "We have 32 people being murdered by guns every day in this country. If peanut butter or pistachio nuts or spinach killed that number of people once in one day, they'd be pulled by the FDA." --Michael Wolkowitz, member of the board of trustees for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence **Apply that logic to alcohol or automobiles and see where it gets you."

How is this a logical fallacy? Guns are made to kill creatures, cars and alcohol aren't.

You added qualifiers. Don't add qualifiers. It does not work if one (as you have done) adds a selection (chosen by you to MAKE IT SAY WHAT IT DOES NOT SAY) of qualifiers. As it was stated by me, it is an entirely silly statement, and comment upon that statement, i've quoted.

If you like it....great. If you don't like and don't agree with it....oh well.

Ah, I see what your getting at.

12.

GODSWIZARD wrote:

A--It is totally pointless, indeed. Arguing, differing, and being stridently vocal (wordy in posting to defend one's POV) is utterly pointless IMO, in bringing the differing person(s) to accept one's POV and change their POV. I seldom do such a thing......you'll notice my distinct lack of posts on this thread......as an indicator of what i've just said.

B--Gun control sucks. Now you don't have to "assume" any more.

a. Bingo. I have the feeling that this debate is a waste of time.

b. Just to end my post on a *super-happy, light-hearted (TM)* cheers

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Reasonable gun control rocks. If it was a woman I'd marry her. Laughing

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Both! All wankers are banned!

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metalheadz · Number of posts: 687 Age: 18 Registration date: 2007-04-07

Yeah... that probably wasn't a good idea.

On a side note though: If I was the President, I would take an AH-64 Apache as my choice of daily presidential transport. Very Happy

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**exo** · Number of posts: 8671 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

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2. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you should allow your family to be harmed, if I get married and start a family I wouldn't let them come to harm. However, I will state my view as a pacifist. I believe that my options are not limited to fighting. One option is too flee the premises, and wait for the proper authorities to arrive. This removes you and your family from harms way and avoids unnecessary bloodshed. Another option is to change the heart of your enemy. It's not as hard as it sounds. However, If it came down to violence being my only option, it is far better to use non-lethal violence, and let the wrong-doer live, than to take his life. Of course, the home invasion scenario can be avoid by taking simple security measures, such as installing deadbolts.

You are taking for granted that the "you" are controlling the circumstances, that flight is an actual option, or that a deadbolt will be any more of a deterent than a locked window.

"YOu" are NOT in control of the situation....the person with the weapon is. They have ALREADY determined they are willing to use their weapon, be it a gun, a knife, or a bottle of chloroform and a rag, BEFORE they begin their crime. THE CRIMINAL IN CONTROL OF THE WEAPON will be the one determining what your options are, and their likelyhood of success, not the unarmed, pacifist victim.

That's a rather large flaw in the gameplan......

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Uncle NecRo · Number of posts: 1472 Registration date: 2007-04-09

BAH!
...personally, I would change the "Hail To The Chief" to the "Imperial Death March" theme as my entrance music for my term...then again, I want that as my entrance music all the time, no matter where I go and if I'm an elected official or not...

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**alldatndensum** · Mission Of One Number of posts: 9992 Age: 40 Registration date: 2007-01-03

I have to strongly disagree that Obama is the dumbest president the USA has ever had. Unfortunately, all the things we are seeing him do that we think is stupid are really part of his well timed plan. I think he full well knows what he's doing to this country. Unfortunately, the American people haven't awakened to this fact.

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**alldatndensum** · Mission Of One Number of posts: 9992 Age: 40 Registration date: 2007-01-03

Where is metalheadz getting the 1% stat he keeps throwing around?

There is a town in Georgia where having a carry/conceal permit is REQUIRED. Since they enacted this law, the crime rate overall has nearly flatlined. Sure, people still speed, but theft and murder has drastically declined. I bet their stats say something totally different.

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I was shocked to discover that in some places a
license is not required to own or purchase firearms. I've also heard
some Americans say that they sleep with a loaded gun by their bed. Is
this even legal? It's certainly not legal where I come from. In fact,
doing that would break three different gun laws.

We need no license to buy a gun. I can walk into Walmart and purchase any gun on the shelf. I might have to wait 3 days for my background check to go through for the handgun, but I can walk out of the store with a rifle right then. I'd have to buy my ammo another time or another place.

If you want to sleep with a loaded gun under your pillow here in the USA, you can.

In Tennessee, you can hear a story of someone in a more rural setting where gun laws are not as strict (or nobody's checking) weekly about someone stopping a home invasion or other violent crime because someone had their gun with them.

There are some weapons that a citizen doesn't need (RPGs, tanks, mini-nukes, etc.). But, if I want a housefull of automatic rifles just because I like them, then that should be my right.

The only reason to limit gun use and ownership, as already stated, is to seize control and be able to manipulate the population by the biggest thugs in any country--their GOVERNMENT.

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**Tall Tyrion** · Number of posts: 10208 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-01-28

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think this helps him in a global domination sense, either. It's a boneheaded move whether we assume his motives are altruistic (which I've been trying hard to do) or nefarious (which I suspect).

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**alldatndensum** · Mission Of One Number of posts: 9992 Age: 40 Registration date: 2007-01-03

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I don't think this helps him in a global domination sense, either.

I wasn't even hinting at a global domination scheme. I just think he is anti-American and is doing all he can to wreck this nation.

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**Black Rider** · Man in Morph Number of posts: 14619 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-04-09

If I let myself, I could get very discouraged by what is happening with this President. I keep reminding myself God is in control and i'm trying to pray for him as the Word says I should.

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**Black Rider** · Man in Morph Number of posts: 14619 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-04-09

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Black Rider wrote:

How is it against the teachings of Jesus to defend my family? Should I let an intruder hurt my family? If you are referring to Matthew 5, I think that text has been misused to say we shouldn't defend when it's talking about being insulted. Jesus is referring to daily situations where we may feel we want revenge to save face. It's not referring to defending in possible violent situations.Don't misunderstand me, i'm not for violence for it's own sake but if someone breaks in with intent to harm i'm not going to spend much time trying to talk him out of it.

1. I've always interpreted it as advocating pacifism, and loving treatment of wrong-doers. I'd be interested as to how you came to your interpretation. May I ask how?

I'm pretty careful of using one verse to make a theology of first of all. And as I stated that verse is referring to being insulted, being slapped back then was a big put down and being slapped on the right side of the face would be using the back of the hand. It's not referring to personal safety it's referring to personal pride. I take as an example the Judges who were often called to take up the sword and fight for their nation. And what about John 15:14 that says: Greater love has no one then this, that he lay down his life for his friend. If I protect my family this may be the result.
It's also worth noting Jesus never preached against or told military converts to resign from their work.
One of God's names is YHWH Sabaoth-the Lord of hosts. Warrior leader of the Israelites.

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**Tall Tyrion** · Number of posts: 10208 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-01-28

metalheadz wrote:

I'd like to add that a criminal is (probably) less
likely to murder someone if they have a knife instead of a gun.

Based on what? There were over 350 knife assaults EVERY DAY last year in England. source

People who have the intent to murder or rob or assault someone else
will find a way to do it. The statistics are quite clear, if you wish
to reduce violent crime, you do it by arming the law abiding citizens.
The criminals already have guns and can get them quite easily, no
matter what laws are passed.

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8. On
the subject of whether or not gun control keeps guns out of criminals
hands, I just remembered a quote from a book I'm currently reading:

The Political Brain wrote:

Between the time Clinton signed the Brady
Bill into law in 1993 and the time George W. Bush and the Republicans
let it sunset, it had prevented roughly 100,000 felons from getting
guns.

LOL... I'd like to see how they tabulated that. I'm assuming they are
talking about people who applied for a permit and were denied, but
since only 7% of guns used to commit crimes were bought from a licensed
dealer, I'd say it's far more likely that the Brady Bill "prevented"
felons from getting a gun for a day or two at most.

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a.
What do you consider to be a hunting rifle? The definition varies from
place to place. Please give an example of a rifle.

I'll give an example of one that I own. I just bought a Ruger 10-22
after about 15 years of not owning a gun. It is a 22 rifle that would
be suitable for target practice and hunting small game. Yet if I just
changed out the stock, installed a flash suppressor, a bayonet mount,
higher capacity clip, etc. I could easily convert it into an "assault
rifle". Same weapon, same bullets firing out of it, but because it looks different, it is now an assault rifle.

In fact, most assault rifles are less powerful and of a lower caliber
than most hunting rifles. An example is the AR-15, which was
specifically targeted by the Assault Weapons ban. It is a .223 caliber
rifle, and is often barred from being used to hunt deer because it is
more likely to wound the animal rather than killing it when compared to
the more powerful .24 to .30
caliber bullets normally used in deer hunting rifles.

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b. The criteria for categorising a weapon as an assault rifle are:
* It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
* It must be capable of selective fire;
* It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
* Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.

Where are you getting this information? Every one of these criteria
would apply right now to my Ruger 10-22, even without any
modifications. The 2007 bill to ban assault rifles defined them as as
semi-automatic weapon that also has any one of the following criteria:

1)A folding or telescopic stock
2)A threaded barrel
3)A pistol grip
4)A forward grip
5)A barrel shroud

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1022.IH:

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How many hunting rifles are capable of full automatic fire?

None, but by the same token, none of the weapons covered under the
assault weapons ban are fully automatic, either. In the US, fully
automatic weapons have been restricted since 1934. Civilians cannot own
them without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department.

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10. I don't think gun ownership should be a right; it should
be a privilege. Saying that every American has the right to own guns
means that murderers, gang members, sadists, thieves, terrorists,
anti-social* people, etc. also have the right to own guns. Obviously
this is not a good idea. Some people should not be allowed guns.

Who is advocating that? Felons cannot own firearms at all, yet many
felons do own them. Gun control laws have been utterly useless at
keeping guns out of the hands of such people. Again, the evidence is
clear, if you want more gun violence, then gun control laws are a good
way of ensuring that.

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Bama--Wan
Ultimately
Means
Putrefaction

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Mrs. exo · Number of posts: 634 Age: 34 Registration date: 2008-06-10

The man who founded facebook is being hailed as being a large part of bringing Obama to office, and yet the latest facebook poll has an overwhelming majority saying they "strongly disapprove" of the president over 40 percent. the strongly agree is 11 percent, and agree is like 13. People are waking up, but they are waking up TOO late!.

Saw a great cartoon the other day, had some of the founding fathers standing around the declaration and one says to the rest " I still thing we shoul put something for when they elect an F- ing moron"

edited for language which is also why i didn't post the cartoon Smile

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Alldat said:

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I have to strongly disagree that Obama is the dumbest president the USA has ever had. Unfortunately, all the things we are seeing him do that we think is stupid are really part of his well timed plan. I think he full well knows what he's doing to this country. Unfortunately, the American people haven't awakened to this fact.

Points:

1. Regarding your first sentence above......that ultimately depends on how a person means, defines, and perceives "dumb". Neutral

2. Regarding the rest of your post......fine. Fine and good post IMO.

3. Regarding your final sentence above.....too many Americans love I love you

, mentally embrace

, and want the Socialism and Leftism he promotes, and is in a position to enact, with the complicity and involvement of the Demo Congress and the Demo Senate.

Gotta' keep those Federal handouts coming.

In fact many Americans want more, more, and EVEN MORE!! cheers

That is what the Feds in D.C. have been providing more and more of since F.D.R. in the 1930s, Johnson in the 1960s, and Federal Government in general since then.

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GODSWIZARD · Play it LOUD!! Number of posts: 17975 Age: 52 Registration date: 2007-01-06

Mrs Exo said:

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Saw a great cartoon the other day, had some of the founding fathers standing around the declaration and one says to the rest "I still thing we shoul put something for when they elect an F- ing moron"

Yeah.....i've seen that. Let me please just add in a couple words:

"I still think we should put something in for when they elect a F-ing Leftist moron."

Works!! cheers

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**Black Rider** · Man in Morph Number of posts: 14619 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-04-09

I've seen one with the Constitution in a coffin being laid into the ground.

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