Once a society has been duped into believing that they came from animals and that there is no creator God to Whom they'll give an account for their actions, moral decline and cultural degradation of all kinds are the end result as a judgment from God upon that defiance. That's what Paul outlines for us in Romans 1:18-32. Rampant homosexuality and the various other forms of immorality listed there are how this judgment manifests itself. We are essentially the last nation that hasn't totally caved in to Darwinian humanism, until now, that is. Get ready to see the same level of open debauchery in the US as has been the norm throughout most of Europe for decades. Darwinism cannot affirm either human morality or the intrinsic value of all human life.

Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. (Romans 1:32, NIV)

If this doesn't describe the state of the world right now, I don't know what does!

Amen, scourge....

No, I wasn't saying that what is valuable to me should be a standard. I was using it to explain why it's hardly even an issue to me. I would be in favor of NO moral standard when it comes to issues on the fringes of life itself because it hardly even matters at that stage. I'm in favor of this move on Obamas part because it allows for more options and more freedom on part of creatures with established identities in the world. It's' not a standard, but a free flow of possibilities.

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Quote: Abraham Lincoln was a Republican who waged war in the name of freedom. Calm down Strutter...you're really reaching there ^

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Quote: you're really reaching there What? Are you suggesting Abraham Lincoln was not a Republican? Or that he didn't wage war?

Greg says, "The victors of wars always get to write the histories."

Take that as you will.


Addenda: A--Added some bold--faced emphasis to two words in the above sentence for the emphasis of the universality of the statement.

B--Just *for the helluvit* let's disagree in *B* and answer the questions in *C*. STRUTTER said, "Abraham Lincoln was a Republican who waged war in the name of freedom."

Er......as gently as I can....."No he didn't". It ended up being that....."freedom" of the blacks.....but that was not his PRIMARY reason for backing the Southern States into a corner he darn well knew they could not get out of peaceably. His PRIMARY reason was to keep the Southern States from seceding from the Union. Here, let me use your words with my correct insertions in the statement:

"Abraham Lincoln was a Republican who waged war in the name of preserving the Union." (Emphasis added)

When the war started in April 1861, Lincoln had absolutely no intentions of what would occur in September 1862, and later in January 1863, when he issued the complete text of the Emancipation Proclamation, which set the slaves free in the Southern States. The Civil War was going......shall we say, 'badly'......and the Emancipation Proclamation was a fine way of garnering the support of several diverse groups, and getting them all behind--and basically reinvigorating--the Federal war effort, which by late 1862 badly needed such "reinvigorating" by any means possible.

"Freedom"......no, of no one and nowhere.

"Preserving the Union"......by violence if need be, yes.

C--Was he a Republican?? Yes.

Did he wage war?? Yes. He had no particular problem doing that......waging war. Because......he was going to be damned if the Southern States would secede during his *Presidential Watch*.

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BTW Scourge said this:

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Once a society has been duped into believing that they came from animals and that there is no creator God to Whom they'll give an account for their actions, moral decline and cultural degradation of all kinds are the end result as a judgment from God upon that defiance. That's what Paul outlines for us in Romans 1:18-32. Rampant homosexuality and the various other forms of immorality listed there are how this judgment manifests itself. We are essentially the last nation that hasn't totally caved in to Darwinian humanism, until now, that is. Get ready to see the same level of open debauchery in the US as has been the norm throughout most of Europe for decades. Darwinism cannot affirm either human morality or the intrinsic value of all human life. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. (Romans 1:32, NIV) If this doesn't describe the state of the world right now, I don't know what does!

Bingo. Darn fine post.



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GlassPrison wrote: No, I wasn't saying that what is valuable to me should be a standard. I was using it to explain why it's hardly even an issue to me. I would be in favor of NO moral standard when it comes to issues on the fringes of life itself because it hardly even matters at that stage. I'm in favor of this move on Obamas part because it allows for more options and more freedom on part of creatures with established identities in the world. It's' not a standard, but a free flow of possibilities. Wow... Columbia has truly f----d you up!

No way hoser.


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Get it straight.

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Actually, nothing Lincoln did in the War of Northern Agression was in the name of freedom. It was in the name of Preserving the Union.

We can argue whether or not that was a worthy goal, but he was actively seeking to supress the freedom of people in the southern states, and when he DID sign the Emancipation Proclamation, he did so as a purely political move.

Lincoln was a racist who had no desire to free slaves. In fact, there were slaves in the North that he could have freed if he wanted to. Seward complained that the EP was essentally worthless because it dealt with slaves in territories that Lincoln did not control at that time, while he did nothing to try to free slaves that were in areas he did control.

But guess who got to write those histories?

I'm going to clarify my position using more practical terms. I guess I just don't get the point of caring whether this is legal or not. If it is legal it's not like the government is forcing people to terminate their offspring. It's the parents who DO NOT WANT the child. Survival of the fittest. The child is not capable of surviving on its own and is thus dependent on its caretakers. Making some legal or illegal is not going to do much for your cause. If you really care about it shouldn't you start convincing every parent that they should be valuing the organism they produced? I personally don't value organisms until they've passed into the state of subjecthood. We may disagree about when that is, but it's pretty clear that it is not when the child is not even fully developed in the womb. Sure they have the potential to, but we don't need that many people in the world. Some are lucky some lose out. The world isn't as fair as some would like it to be, is it? I'm not going to be against abortion any sooner than I'm going to stop eating meat because it kills animals.
So I guess I'm saying, people like me who do not share your same values are the ones you should be trying to convert to your system of value, not Barak Obama.


And I should also point out, my professors are not a root cause of my beliefs. I disagree all the time with my Human Rights professor, which is one of the few classes I've had that even brings up any of these points/subjects. She's extreme liberal activist and very typical college professor. Not very Christian but still has hope for the world and cares about the human race. I'm just misanthropic.

Points:


1. Just to let you know GP, I have read your entire post......a couple of times, now. And.....i'll just let it be and not comment upon it; with only one exception, this one:

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It's the parents who DO NOT WANT the child. Survival of the fittest.

Can I amend that a little bit?? Can I?? Can I??

O.K. here goes: "It's the parents who DO NOT WANT the child. Survival of the morally dead inside."


There.......sounds more accurate.



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Actually, nothing Lincoln did in the War of Northern Agression was in the name of freedom. EDIT: (As I said in another post, Lincoln was all for getting behind *the freedom and abolitionist bandwagon* when he deemed it necessary, and not a moment before then) It was in the name of Preserving the Union. We can argue whether or not that was a worthy goal, but he was actively seeking to supress the freedom of people in the southern states, and when he DID sign the Emancipation Proclamation, he did so as a purely political move. Lincoln was a racist who had no desire to free slaves. In fact, there were slaves in the North that he could have freed if he wanted to. Seward complained that the EP was essentally worthless because it dealt with slaves in territories that Lincoln did not control at that time, while he did nothing to try to free slaves that were in areas he did control. But guess who got to write those histories? EDIT: Emphasis mine.

As in the other thread I posted on, and agreed with TallT in, EVERY word there is the truth and verifiable, as well as documentable. Everything.

Does it not.....ever.....strike anyone as a bit odd, and somewhat ironic, that Leftists (generally) love Lincoln?? Maybe?? Huh??

Nah. Probably neither "a bit odd" nor "ironic".

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