The Christian Metal Realm is a community made up largely of Christians who also happen to love heavy metal! You do not have to be a Christian to join, but you MUST be respectful. Home  FAQ  Search  Register  Log in       The Christian Metal Realm :: Christian Metal Realm :: The Discussion Chamber  Nightcaps     Goto page :   1, 2, 3, 4   Author Message hellig Joined : 09 Apr 2007 Posts : 109 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Fri May 09, 2008 4:00 pm Now that I'm done with school, I look forward to start being able to relax with a smoking pipe and a good book.   GODSWIZARD Play it LOUD!! Age : 51 Joined : 06 Jan 2007 Posts : 10301 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Mon May 12, 2008 10:46 pm Points: 1. I don't *do* any "nightcaps". 3 Thoughts: A--I would never need a drink before bed anyway......nope. B--I don't drink hardly at all anymore. Very, very seldom anymore. I don't have any problem with it, but my wife is an alcoholic and so I just don't *imbibe* much.....out of respect for her. C--If I was going to drink.....on those very few occasions I do.....I sure would not waste the enjoyment of the *taste* right before brushing my teeth and going to bed. I want to *savor* it for awhile......the taste. I simply don't drink for *effect*. When I do drink.....it is for the enjoyment of the taste. Period. 2. Angel said: Quote: I can't do tequila. A good one (especially) goes down just like water for me. Interesting to hear you say that. *Back in the day* before I was a Christian I used to prefer drinking both vodka and tequila straight, and right out of the bottle. Lots.......right out of the bottles. Yeah......water. 3. It's good to see a lot of Christians here don't drink, and don't even like the taste of the stuff. I may as well say I don't either......as little as I do. _________________ "The 'farce' is strong with Obama-Wan." words of Scourge. One of the twins: I'm the one who likes it all....   candlemass The Idiot Formerley Known As The Changeling Age : 45 Joined : 08 Apr 2007 Posts : 1311 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Tue May 13, 2008 5:25 am GODSWIZARD wrote: Points: 3. It's good to see a lot of Christians here don't drink, and don't even like the taste of the stuff. Why is that good? This is one of the things about Protestants I don't get, many of them measure a person's spirituality by smoking and drinking....."we don't smoke, drink or chew, or run w/those who do." When did smoking or drinking become the plumbline for spiritual maturity? Some may say because of the potential for great harm w/drinking, but this can be true w/a lot of activities, I see moderation and self controll as signs of spiritual growth, not abstinance.   Angel with Attitude The Emperor Has No Clothes Joined : 09 Apr 2007 Posts : 2543 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Tue May 13, 2008 10:42 am Quote: Why is that good? This is one of the things about Protestants I don't get, many of them measure a person's spirituality by smoking and drinking....."we don't smoke, drink or chew, or run w/those who do." When did smoking or drinking become the plumbline for spiritual maturity? Some may say because of the potential for great harm w/drinking, but this can be true w/a lot of activities, I see moderation and self controll as signs of spiritual growth, not abstinance. Just to be cheeKy and not trying to offend but I somehow managed to decide for moderation and self-control re: alcohol w/o EVER leaning on the Catholic church and it's views. Amazing, isn't it? Some people are wise to remain abstinent and that is different from guaging (sp?)that as equating 'spiritual maturity'. I view it as having the foresight or wisdom to not put an occasion to stumble in front of yourself. If we already know where our weaknesses lie, we aren't doing anyone any favors to open the door to another or even something that has the potential to ruin us. Don't the Scriptures say that we are to offer our bodies as a living sacrifice to the Lord and this is simply our reasonable service? That we are not our own, we are bought and paid for with the precious blood of Jesus? As unstable and stupid as I might seem to abhor and reject the overarching encroachment of Rome on my spiritual life, I somehow managed to ascertain the plain instruction here. Would that be considered 'miraculous' or .....do twenty different committees of men wearing dresses have to wait until a hundred years after I die to decide?? signed-A Protestant, lol _________________ The closer you are too having only one fan, the closer you are too Trooness. Sometimes death is the only healing   MetalH Take me as I am Age : 82 Joined : 28 Dec 2006 Posts : 3448 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Tue May 13, 2008 10:44 am I used to drink a lot, but I did some really, really stupid things while being drunk. I decided not to drink much if at all. My favorite drink, however, would be gin and tonic!! _________________ MY HEROES   Drachenschlächter A Mere Peasant Age : 29 Joined : 08 Dec 2007 Posts : 3151 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Tue May 13, 2008 6:44 pm candlemass wrote: GODSWIZARD wrote: Points: 3. It's good to see a lot of Christians here don't drink, and don't even like the taste of the stuff. Why is that good? This is one of the things about Protestants I don't get, many of them measure a person's spirituality by smoking and drinking....."we don't smoke, drink or chew, or run w/those who do." When did smoking or drinking become the plumbline for spiritual maturity? Some may say because of the potential for great harm w/drinking, but this can be true w/a lot of activities, I see moderation and self controll as signs of spiritual growth, not abstinence. My thoughts exactly. I have also noticed that is a primarily American Protestant way of thinking, that "growing out of" simple pleasures is a sign of spiritual Maturity. European Protestants don't feel the same way at all. At least.. everyone I've ever known. Pleasures can become used to the point of sin. But the pleasures themselves are a gift from God. Interestingly enough, you can usually tell when your pleasures have become sin because they become unpleasureable. _________________ .................... Come Heaven. Come Shadows. Come crashing over me. I feel that something will have to break.. And the sky beneath - Covenant. http://chamberofsolace.heavenforum.com/index.htm http://jesusmetal.forummotion.com/index.htm   BackFromTheDawn Age : 21 Joined : 18 May 2007 Posts : 2556 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Tue May 13, 2008 7:17 pm There's a large gray area in that idea though, IMO. For my money, I think it's more a matter of "all things are lawful for me, but not all things are beneficial". The majority of people that I know who don't drink do it for the sake of their testimony, to not give anyone an excuse to stereotype a christian or to truly be identified as different. So I suppose you could argue for spiritual maturity...though I think there's more to it. Also, not every "pleasure" is a gift from God. Perhaps the sensation of, but if one was to get pleasure from a sinful act then I would venture to say that's not from God. I don't know, it's complicated I guess. My main point is that there's more to the assumption of why christians don't drink. _________________ "He had discovered Time and Death and God"-Aldous Huxley   Angel with Attitude The Emperor Has No Clothes Joined : 09 Apr 2007 Posts : 2543 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Tue May 13, 2008 8:50 pm Quote: European Protestants don't feel the same way at all. At least.. everyone I've ever known. I hear this as well. I also know American Protestants who use that exact line of thinking to go a lift a few pints after church or Bible study, as is common practice (or so I hear) with the Europeans....even though the person readily admits they are a borderline alcoholic...again, making it a 'hobby'. My former boss at church dated this man and aside from going to a few cool concerts, this was *all* he wanted to do. Can anyone say boring?? I thought you could... _________________ The closer you are too having only one fan, the closer you are too Trooness. Sometimes death is the only healing   Drachenschlächter A Mere Peasant Age : 29 Joined : 08 Dec 2007 Posts : 3151 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Tue May 13, 2008 9:02 pm Well. Alcohol is idolized in the US.. not so in Europe. It's not looked at as "a big deal" there. My Oma (Grandma) would let us drink wine and beer with dinner whenever we wanted... and would always pound into our heads.."there our no alcoholics in my family.. it is unacceptable..".. hence I never thought anything special of alcohol and I never binge drank. My friends would drink themselves into oblivion because it was always "forbidden".. my feelings were "meh".. because I was brought up with it as a "regular part of life and a blessing unto man" that must be used with moderation. Every time I drink, still to this day.. I remember my German Grandmother looking at me with that stern face and saying "Zer are no alcoholics in our family. Zat is unacceptable." _________________ .................... Come Heaven. Come Shadows. Come crashing over me. I feel that something will have to break.. And the sky beneath - Covenant. http://chamberofsolace.heavenforum.com/index.htm http://jesusmetal.forummotion.com/index.htm   GODSWIZARD Play it LOUD!! Age : 51 Joined : 06 Jan 2007 Posts : 10301 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Wed May 14, 2008 2:10 am Candlemass said: Quote: 3. It's good to see a lot of Christians here don't drink, and don't even like the taste of the stuff. Why is that good? This is one of the things about Protestants I don't get, many of them measure a person's spirituality by smoking and drinking....."we don't smoke, drink or chew, or run w/those who do." When did smoking or drinking become the plumbline for spiritual maturity? Some may say because of the potential for great harm w/drinking, but this can be true w/a lot of activities, I see moderation and self controll as signs of spiritual growth, not abstinance. Points: 1. Good post (IMO) Angel......right after the one quoted above. ^ ^ ^ ^ 2. You read too much into my post Candlemass. I did not--at all--speak in reference to any *church doctrine* of any denomination, and in fact......that did not even enter my mind until seeing your's, and then Angel's posts made right after mine. And......many of the posts following those 2 mentioned. 3. I simply meant that alcohol can be something that tends to ruin and/or muck up other's lives......that simple. That is all I meant. I've personally seen alcohol have a negative affect on the lives of many in my family. Many. Alcohol has negatively affected a few peeps on my side of our (me and Debbie) marriage. Alcohol has wrecked Debbie's side of the family in our marriage. Wrecked it in the past......and is still at work now. My wife is 1 of 8 kids.....of those 8.......6 are alcoholics, including my wife, Debbie. Mine and Debbie's marriage......um.......has been a lot harder than it needed to be.......because of alcohol. It is quite fair to say......that someone's eyes are going to be opened for the first time in *Eternity*. I'll leave it at that. 4. There is an old joke in Montana.......that joke has a direct bearing on number 3 above. Goes like this: "You know why it is so hard to escape from Montana?? Because of all the bars." 5. I simply meant that IMO it is an objectively good thing to see that a lot of the Christians here at the CMR want to have nothing to do with booze. That was all I meant. You read too much into it. I've provided some additional clarification. My post had nothing to do with "spiritual maturity". _________________ "The 'farce' is strong with Obama-Wan." words of Scourge. One of the twins: I'm the one who likes it all....   Crying Real Emo Tears™ Doom Rider of Cheesy Song Titles Age : 40 Joined : 07 Apr 2007 Posts : 1653 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Wed May 14, 2008 3:58 am I don't drink much alcohol either except for a (very) occasional beer. I love the taste of both beer and wine though, but having a very addictive personality, I find it best to leave the stuff alone. It is funny though, I was talking to a hyper-fundamentalist in the break room at work a few months ago, and I mentioned that we use real wine for communion at my church. Man, the guy freaked out. Apparently his very official, authorized AV1611 must say something about grape juice or something for the Lord's Supper. _________________ "There are only two kinds of men: the righteous who think they are sinners and the sinners who think they are righteous." - Blaise Pascal http://www.solideogloria.org/erc/sermons/index.htm   5minutes Joined : 07 Nov 2007 Posts : 2238 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Wed May 14, 2008 6:43 am Quote: Why is that good? This is one of the things about Protestants I don't get, many of them measure a person's spirituality by smoking and drinking....."we don't smoke, drink or chew, or run w/those who do." When did smoking or drinking become the plumbline for spiritual maturity? This Protestant doesn't, but used to belong to churches that did. A lot of it comes back to the temperance movements and good-health initiatives of the 19th Century. That bowl of Corn Flakes you ate this morning? It's a child of that movement that believed that the road to wellness and long life included eating only nuts and grains, avoiding any form of sexual activity, and DEFINITELY avoiding the evil devil's tonic of alcohol. Most of these groups worked in scripture into their teachings to REALLY justify their beliefs, conveniently avoiding other scriptures that did not support their beliefs. There is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol. Alcohol enhances the flavor of food, both when the food is cooked with alcohol and when the food is served with alcohol. Alcohol, especially wine, is good for your heart. It relaxes your body and mind, lowering your stress level. In moderation, it's as healthy as anything. In overuse, it's as dangerous as overuse of any other substance. _________________ www.christianmetalforums.com "There's no virtue in having an opinion, especially if it's wrong." - Rush Limbaugh "...remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it." - Barack Hussein Obama   SueNC Age : 41 Joined : 24 Oct 2007 Posts : 1729 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Wed May 14, 2008 7:07 am the Bible has many references to wine, so i dont think there's anything wrong with drinking a bit of wine or whatever. the problem comes in when you drink to the point of being drunk. as for myself, i dont drink alcohol because it's nasty tasting. if i want something to enhance the taste of food or for a 'simple pleasure,' i'll drink a Wild Cherry Pepsi in a chilled glass. i get MUCH more enjoyment from that. _________________ 'Holy, holy, holy... is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come. With all creation I sing, 'Praise to the King of Kings!' You are my everything and I will adore you!' - 'Revelation Song.'   Crying Real Emo Tears™ Doom Rider of Cheesy Song Titles Age : 40 Joined : 07 Apr 2007 Posts : 1653 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Wed May 14, 2008 7:12 am Actually you need to mix 4/8 Pepsi, 1/8 Dr. Pepper and 3/8 Hawaiian Punch together. That is some awesome stuff. _________________ "There are only two kinds of men: the righteous who think they are sinners and the sinners who think they are righteous." - Blaise Pascal http://www.solideogloria.org/erc/sermons/index.htm   5minutes Joined : 07 Nov 2007 Posts : 2238 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Wed May 14, 2008 8:02 am Quote: if i want something to enhance the taste of food or for a 'simple pleasure,' i'll drink a Wild Cherry Pepsi in a chilled glass. i get MUCH more enjoyment from that. That's fine. Having said that... The port wine I mentioned earlier? What it does to dark chocolate is out of this world. It's like a whole new world of flavor opened up by the wine... _________________ www.christianmetalforums.com "There's no virtue in having an opinion, especially if it's wrong." - Rush Limbaugh "...remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it." - Barack Hussein Obama   GODSWIZARD Play it LOUD!! Age : 51 Joined : 06 Jan 2007 Posts : 10301 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Wed May 14, 2008 8:49 am 3 Points: 1. 5Mins said: Quote: The port wine I mentioned earlier? What it does to dark chocolate is out of this world. It's like a whole new world of flavor opened up by the wine... Yep. Bingo. Combined......Yingo--Bep. 2. Before I say what I am going to say in point 3 below, what it will say.......I want to emphasize that I don't (either personally or physically--alcoholism) have a problem with alcohol usage. I do not, and would not ever, drink to 'affect'. I grew out of that *stage* of my life a long, long, long (decades ago) time ago. And I would *moderate* my drinking with tact and concern for the feelings of those around me. That said....... 3. Closely related to point 1 above.......if I were not married to the woman GOD wants me to be with........I would drink more. It's that simple. _________________ "The 'farce' is strong with Obama-Wan." words of Scourge. One of the twins: I'm the one who likes it all....   5minutes Joined : 07 Nov 2007 Posts : 2238 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Wed May 14, 2008 9:09 am Quote: Closely related to point 1 above.......if I were not married to the woman GOD wants me to be with........I would drink more. It's that simple. Being married to me, I'm surprised my wife doesn't drink more... _________________ www.christianmetalforums.com "There's no virtue in having an opinion, especially if it's wrong." - Rush Limbaugh "...remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it." - Barack Hussein Obama   GODSWIZARD Play it LOUD!! Age : 51 Joined : 06 Jan 2007 Posts : 10301 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Wed May 14, 2008 9:12 am _________________ "The 'farce' is strong with Obama-Wan." words of Scourge. One of the twins: I'm the one who likes it all....   PeacethroughX Cool Mamma Jamma Age : 52 Joined : 11 Mar 2007 Posts : 357 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Wed May 14, 2008 9:42 am GODSWIZARD wrote: 1. 5Mins said: Quote: The port wine I mentioned earlier? What it does to dark chocolate is out of this world. It's like a whole new world of flavor opened up by the wine... Yep. Bingo. Combined......Yingo--Bep. Two BRILLIANT men.... _________________ "Who among the gods is like you, O LORD ? Who is like you— majestic in holiness, awesome in glory, working wonders?" Exodus 15:11 http://www.achurchforthecity.org "I don't reject your Christ, I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ." Mahatma Ghandi   SueNC Age : 41 Joined : 24 Oct 2007 Posts : 1729 Subject: Re: Nightcaps   Wed May 14, 2008 9:54 am Doom Ryder of Cheese wrote: Actually you need to mix 4/8 Pepsi, 1/8 Dr. Pepper and 3/8 Hawaiian Punch together. That is some awesome stuff. that's just sick. _________________ 'Holy, holy, holy... is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come. With all creation I sing, 'Praise to the King of Kings!' You are my everything and I will adore you!' - 'Revelation Song.'   Nightcaps     Page 3 of 4 Goto page :   1, 2, 3, 4   Permissions of this forum: You cannot reply to topics in this forum The Christian Metal Realm :: Christian Metal Realm :: The Discussion Chamber The Christian Metal Realm :: Christian Metal Realm :: The Discussion Chamber Free forum | © phpbb | Free forum support | Report an abuse | Create a blog