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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:02 pm

Why isn't "Obama's scepter" a choice? I feel sure that Medieval peasants would have want to honor the Great One as well.

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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:21 pm

Sorry. Sorry.


5. New question. This is a Medieval weapon. It is a club, staff really, four or five feet long, with a large iron spike at the top. It was mostly used by European peasants, and knights encased in armor found it quite intimidating as it could easily pierce the finest--and thickest--armor.

What is this--most commonly--known as? Choose from the answers given below. One is correct. The rest are incorrect.

A--The penis of satan.

B--The toothpick.

C--The "Good day."

D--The Richardus Burtonus.

E--The dagger on a stick.

F--The pointed club.

G--The can opener.

F+--Obama's scepter.






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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:12 pm

That's better.

I choose F...

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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:43 pm

I'll go with 'E'....
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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:02 pm

GW, I had my spanish-speaking friends, at work, translating choice "A" today......and, I won't be surprised if that is it.......sounds pretty good in the Spanglish. .....and, if "A" isn't the answer, then, It Should Be!!



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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:45 pm

I have aroused interest with this question.






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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:55 pm

I still have guessed "E".....but, I won't be surprised by the correct answer.

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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:26 pm

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I have aroused interest with this question


That's just so wrong on so many levels.

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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:43 pm

I am going to go with A. Compared to today's language, The Penis of Satan sounds so Medievalish.

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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:11 am

Points:


1. I shall provide the correct answer and ask a new question tomorrow.




2. Black Rider said:

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Quote:
I have aroused interest with this question


That's just so wrong on so many levels.




I am a wordsmith, am I not??




D said:

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I am going to go with A. Compared to today's language, The Penis of Satan sounds so Medievalish.


Yeah......that's what Texanvfg said earlier.




4. Get those answers in now......time is running out.

Oh look...... ......there goes "time" now.





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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:22 pm

Better late than never, I hope. I also will go with A.
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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:29 am

The answer, including a new question. Points:


1. The question:

This is a Medieval weapon. It is a club, staff really, four or five feet long, with a large iron spike at the top. It was mostly used by European peasants, and knights encased in armor found it quite intimidating as it could easily pierce the finest--and thickest--armor.

What is this--most commonly--known as? Choose from the answers given below. One is correct. The rest are incorrect.

A--The penis of satan.

B--The toothpick.

C--The "Good day."

D--The Richardus Burtonus.

E--The dagger on a stick.

F--The pointed club.

G--The can opener.

F+--Obama's scepter.




2. It would appear that by my answers provided......i've pricked a certain level of interest by at least one of them.

The answers by posters:

D......Musclecar1975, Texanvfg, Black Rider, and Intrigued1 all said the answer is A--The penis of satan.

L8T originally chose E--The dagger on a stick, but reconsidered his choice to be in unison with the above A--The penis of satan, then stayed with his original choice of E--The dagger on a stick.

Mr.Electric said the answer is E--The dagger on a stick.

TallT said choice *F*, but i'm pretty sure he actually meant choice *F+* so that is what i'm saying he chose. Choice F+--Obama's scepter.




3. And the correct answer is........(Insert drumroll sound here)......C--The "Good day." Another view of a "Good day" and below it a little bit of history.



First off, you all need to know that one could haggle endlessly over this subject of what exactly the name of this weapon was. Experts in European arms and armor, historians proficient in discussing European arms and armor, have gone *back and forth* over this topic of the name of the weapon pictured, for generations.

Second, that haggling is not my intention here. I'm going to stick with the statement from my question post, provided here: "What is this--most commonly--known as?" The most important words are those emphasized by me, "most commonly." As one spends time researching the subject, and perusing the relevant literature, one is inevitably lead (IMO) to the conclusion, and thus the weapons name, given. It was a "Good day", or "Hello", as known in its original Flemish, "Goedendac", "Godendag", "Godentag", or "Goedentag", and even other versions of spelling.

I quote from two appropriate sources of information. First, a passage from David Nicolle's recent work Medieval Warfare Source Book Volume 1: Warfare In Western Christendom, "Godendac, Goedendag: long-hafted mace with a thrusting spike at the end, used by infantry; Flanders, 13th-14th Century. Godendat, Godendart: heavy infantry mace with thrusting spike at end; from Flemish Godendac; Flanders, early 14th Century."

BTW in both the above by Nicolle, and the below first use by DeVries, the word "mace" is not used in the sense of a more traditional picture of a mace, i.e., a flanged or weighted hammering or bashing surface at one end, but that of a simple club or haft used to smash, exactly as those hafts or staffs could be used as, in the two pictures i've provided.

The second passage is from the recent work by Kelly DeVries titled Medieval Military Technology, "The goedendag combined the spear not with the axe, but with a mace. Strictly a Flemish weapon, the goedendag, which translates as "good-day" or "hello", was featured in their early fourteenth-century warfare, and was credited by some French chroniclers as the reason for the Flemish victory at the Battle of Courtrai.

The goedendag saw very limited service, and then only by the Flemings who themselves abandoned it by the beginning of the fifteenth century. However, it may have inspired several later staff-weapons - the Morning Star, the Holy Water Sprinkler, and the Military Flail - all of which combined the spear with the mace. The Holy Water Sprinkler and the Military Flail attached their mace heads to the haft by a chain."

In the above, the final two references by DeVries to a "mace" is that traditionally thought of, i.e., the flanged or weighted hammering or bashing surface at one end.

O.K.......lesson over.




4. New question to come tomorrow. I tire.






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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:38 am

Well, it certainly wasn't a 'good day' for those unfortunate to be on the business end of that thing - certainly wouldnt be a 'good day' if it would have been called 'the penis of satan'

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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:04 pm

................Paul Harvey..................................Good Day........

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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:45 am

New question.


The Swiss were among the most ferocious, disciplined, and reliable fighters in the later Medieval period. The Swiss Canton members hired themselves out as mercenaries to the highest paying bidders in Western Europe during the years between about 1325 A.D. to about 1525 A.D. The Swiss were able to do this because by 1315, at the Battle of Morgarten, the Swiss had finally repelled the forces of the Holy Roman Empire and gained the complete autonomy of the Swiss Cantons.

As the Swiss hired themselves out as mercenaries to the services of the highest bidder, they made two weapons famous. Both weapons were already in existence, but the Swiss took them both to new heights of effectiveness and notoriety as they used these weapons in new forms of tactical employment which brought out the strengths of the arms, while minimizing their weaknesses.

What were the two weapons the Swiss used to deadly--near--perfection for 200 years?

A--The siege crossbow and the ballista.

B--The pike and the halberd.

C--The morning star and the sling.

D--The arquebus and the wheel--lock pistol.

E--The glaive and the bill.

F--The Richardus and the Burtonus.



Decide.

Please don't cheat. Pretty please.

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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:17 am

Im gonna go with answer A. I may be right and I may be wrong - but at least I have 50/50 chance either way - always remember a school teacher telling me that if I didnt know the answer to always pick 'A' as that gives you a 50/50 chance of getting it right. Or was it 'Always bet on black' ?

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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:15 am

Aren't these the guys who guard the Vatican? I will guess B. the pike and halbred.
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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:21 am

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Aren't these the guys who guard the Vatican?



Yes. They still do that. All Swiss.





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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:44 am

I was all set to go with the Swiss Army knife and it wasn't a choice.

So instead, I'll guess: B--The pike and the halberd.

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PostSubject: Re: "Militaria Makes The World Go-Round."   Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:31 pm

I am going to guess "B" the pike and halberd for the following reasons:

The firearms are out.

The inventor of the Richardus hated the Swiss.

Not the balista.

The glaive and bill, those two are so similar (im-limited-o) .

The morning star is SO cool.....but, I don't think so...

So, that leaves the pike and halberd.



I don't remember Anything about the swiss, so,.............

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