On the economy,"no one" saw this coming,and "no one but the government" can seem to do anything about it,no matter what happens it seems to get worse,it suddenly becomes "necessary" for government to take control or looking into taking control of different companies,there has been talk of the weak US dollar being replaced,possibly by the euro or some other world currency.I know there are lots of people that want and deserve health coverage, but IMO that is a Pandora's box in government hands.

Nah,this is all too coincedental,and that I think is the key word,though the words planned or orchestrated come to mind also,this country's sovereignity is on the line and I am beginning to suspect it could be an inside job.Far fetched thinking,just look at all the stories lately about the ICE and immigration agents,many of the "gatekeepers" have been bought off and that is just here,beginning to wonder about the "keepers" in higher positions in Washington.Paranoid delusional, or is anybody else beginning to wonder about the longevity and severity of this "crisis" ?

could it be that all them words at the back of the Bible are coming to fruition?

You know,I used to wonder how it could all happen,seriously beginning to wonder if it could be in an active stage politically.I will have to admit though, I probably approach that possibility now more cautiously, than in the old fire and brimstone days of my youth.

Too much water under the bridge,too many false prophets,tends to dampen the apocalpytic fire,honestly have not even been looking any more for the "signs".After a while my thinking was maybe we missed the mark timewise,not going to happen in our lifetime,just live my life and let the next ones fret about it. Come a long way from where I was ,and the thing that kind of bothers me is that I don't know and may never know if that is a good thing.

With all the craziness that has happened in my life,well, I was once heavily into prophecy,even thought back then that it was what I was "supposed" to do,kind of reluctant to even discuss the subject much now.Biggest problem is that I am no longer sure about what I believe,what Revelations is really saying, and what has come to pass and what will come to pass.All the sources I had of interpretation,I no longer completely trust their views of it.

Interesting post Steve. (Your posts usually are)


At this point/time in my life......I feel a little like Voltaire. An historical analogy, of sorts.

Voltaire was a French Philosophe who intensely hated the French Monarchy, and the Kings and Queens in it, and the politics which came from that French Monarchy. He hated the French Catholic Church about as much as the monarchy. As he lived his life in the 1700s and grew old in France, he could see the storm clouds of unrest brewing in France, and foresaw the coming of the French Revolution as it approached. Paraphrasing, he said very late in his life, dying in 1778, "I see the overthrow of the monarchy coming, I long for it and rejoice at its happening, and yet I shall die before it comes to pass."

I feel like Voltaire.

I can see the events of the End Times coming on. I am very knowledgeable about history, politics, and can place contemporary people and events within a logical rubric which inevitably points toward those aforementioned End Times Biblical events foretold of prophetically.

However, like Voltaire I am--probably--going to die right before I get to see them (current events) really ramping up into an End Times scenario.

a guy I work with is like you GW. Very knowledgable in history, politics and the Bible. He told me some scholars will tell you Revelation has already passed. Some will tell you most has and still some hasnt. I couldnt say, but I do know that the events Jesus spoke of, like the Abomination that causes Desolation, and such all centered around the Roman Emperor Caligula (spelling?) and the fall of Jerusalem.

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I couldnt say, but I do know that the events Jesus spoke of, like the Abomination that causes Desolation....

Some Biblical prophecies have dual fulfillments. That is all i'm going to say about that topic. If you know what I mean......great. If you don't......start researching *Biblical dual prophetic fulfillment*.


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....and such all centered around the Roman Emperor Caligula (spelling?) and the fall of Jerusalem.

Whoever told you that does not have a freaking clue about what they're speaking of. The Roman Emperor Caligula ("Little boots", named after Roman military footwear) has nothing to do with Jeruslem's razing in 70 A.D. or the final Diaspora of national Jewish continuity in the next century. Absolutely less than nothing. Caligula died decades before Roman Emperor Titus Flavius Vespasianus ordered his son Titus to raze the Jewish city in 70 A.D.

Tell them to get it right before they start telling Biblical fairy tales.

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didnt know that. which ones?

It IS an inside job! Satan has had thousands (millions?) of years to perfect his plan.

I have one thing to say on this topic, and then I will (probably) leave it at that:

Jesus is comin' soon!

Tick-tock!

I totally agree with Tex, this is all just events foretold that points to all the things that will happen in the events leading up to the Second Coming of Christ, like the One World Government, One World Religion, etc.

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However, like Voltaire I am--probably--going to die right before I get to see them (current events) really ramping up into an End Times scenario.

Or get raptured up, IMO.

wv_metaller4christ wrote:

I couldnt say, but I do know that the events Jesus spoke of, like the Abomination that causes Desolation, and such all centered around the Roman Emperor Caligula (spelling?) and the fall of Jerusalem.

I did a Beth Moore bible study on Daniel last year and it was very good and this is what I learned from that bible study, as well as sermons I've heard in the past regarding this:

The Adomination of Desolation is one of the examples in the bible that is also known as the Law of Double Fulfillment, meaning that a prophecy can be fulfilled twice, one in the more immediate sense and the other in a future sense. The double fulfillment of this prophecy has been applied to Antiochus IV Epiphanes, a Syrian king who reigned in Palestine from about 175 BC to 163 BC and in 167 BC set up an altar to Zeus in the second Temple and sacraficed swine, forcing the priests to eat it. This put an end to the daily sacrafices, as the Jews did not want to enter the now desecrated Temple. He was a very vicious persecutor of the Jewish people (the Jews called him "Epimanes", which mean mad man or maniac.) His persecution led to the Maccabean revolt.

During the Great Tribulation, the Antichrist will somehow desecrate the Temple (yet to be rebuilt) causing the Abomination of Desolation and what he does will also stop the daily sacrafices. He too, will also be a vicious persecutor of the Jewish people.

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Back to the original post, I too have mused this current government seems intent on handing over our sorereignty. And they are using any means they can to do it.

RE: the "end times" stuff.....I really can't worry about it. It's Biblically prophesied, so it's not exactly liketrying to shoehorn current events into a box, is going to do much of anything to change it.....If it happens in my lifetime, it happens. If it happens in another lifetime, it's still gonna happen......

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1. Black Rider said:

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Back to the original post, I too have mused this current government seems intent on handing over our sorereignty. And they are using any means they can to do it.

Bingo.




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If it happens in my lifetime, it happens. If it happens in another lifetime, it's still gonna happen......

Bingo.




3. D said:

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The Adomination of Desolation is one of the examples in the bible that is also known as the Law of Double Fulfillment, meaning that a prophecy can be fulfilled twice, one in the more immediate sense and the other in a future sense. The double fulfillment of this prophecy has been applied to Antiochus IV Epiphanes, a Syrian king who reigned in Palestine from about 175 BC to 163 BC and in 167 BC set up an altar to Zeus in the second Temple and sacraficed swine, forcing the priests to eat it. This put an end to the daily sacrafices, as the Jews did not want to enter the now desecrated Temple. He was a very vicious persecutor of the Jewish people (the Jews called him "Epimanes", which mean mad man or maniac.) His persecution led to the Maccabean revolt. During the Great Tribulation, the Antichrist will somehow desecrate the Temple (yet to be rebuilt) causing the Abomination of Desolation and what he does will also stop the daily sacrafices. He too, will also be a vicious persecutor of the Jewish people.

The first paragraph......a thing of historical narrative beauty D.

The first and second paragraphs combined.....that, in a nutshell, is double/dual prophetic fulfilment.

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This entire part makes me smile:

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I second that,maybe we should call ourselves Voltairians (Why do I suddenly have an urge to watch some classic Star Trek ) Seriously though,some great insights Elder Wizard (Wait, is that a double reference{see graphic image above} ) and you too Musclecar,some interesing info.

Yeah.....we are "Voltairians."



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I had thought before about that dual thing but didn't know if there was anything to back it up.History does seem to repeat itself... so maybe there is a lesson in that,thinking now about the was,is not,shall be again concept

It all depends upon your approach to the text, and interpretation of what is written therein. (The Bible and prophecy in this case) I find no difficulty in seeing prophetic utterances and writings made.....then coming to fulfilment and fruition at one point in history.....and yet these original prophetic utterances and writings being added to by other, coming later in time, prophetic utterances and writings. The second, coming later in time, prophecies when added to the original, coming earlier in time, prophecies seem point to something yet to come.


My opinion. Take it for what little it is worth.

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