Greenage

metalheaded · Number of posts: 435 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-12-01

There's been something that's been bugging me, and has ever since I heard of it way back when.

This ever-popular concept of "going green" with everything, whether it be in your house or a whole company devoted to "green" technology.

The thing that's been bugging me is this: what is the overall agenda? Is it one of pure liberal foolishness, to where they just want to force everyone to do what they want people to do and have "thumb control"?

Or is it a really good idea to "go green", provided it's not based on some liberal, earth-worshipping agenda (and therefore misguided)? I know there are tons of great ideas in the concept, and it's good for the planet, and all...but I tend to not want to participate if it's coming from an "angle", you know?

Please advise...

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bigjtink · Subject: Re: Greenage Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:03 am

Green is good but.......... You must first define what "Green" is? It has become a marketing strategy and many companies and items that claim to be green are really not.

**Tall Tyrion** · Subject: Re: Greenage Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:42 am

Overall, I like it. I sell windows and doors and cabinets, and green
building is a super hot trend right now, although as Tink pointed out,
it's often a marketing ploy rather than an reality.

If "green" means increased energy efficiancy, I can't see a downside.
It's a great thing to encourage because that means reduced energy
costs. Where it gets tricky is when the government stops encouraging green building and starts starts mandating it. I'll give an example:

Right now, there is a 30% tax credit for replacing older, less
efficient windows with windows that reduce energy costs. It's a great
idea, but in doing that, the government set extremely high standards, a
.30 rating for both the U-factor and the Solar Heat Gain Coefficient.

This is far above the old Energy Star ratings, and it had window
companies scrambling to retrofit operations to meet the new standards.
Increased manufacturing costs mean higher prices and possibly layoffs.
And at a high altitude, the .30 standard was particularly tough to meet
for various reasons, which keep many window compnies from even being
able to meet the standards, and resulted in less choices for the
consumer.

My fear is that eventually, the .30 standard will go from being an
option to being a requirement. It will be devasating to the window
industry and mean that many people will simply keep their old,
inefficient windows because the cost of replacement is too high. It
will end up having the direct opposite effect that it was intended to
have.

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metalheaded · Number of posts: 435 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-12-01

Hmm, good point.

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**Black Rider** · Subject: Re: Greenage Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:09 am

And when it becomes a mandate it will hurt the poorer among us. Many places are banning wood burning stoves yet for a lot of people it's the cheapest source of heat they can get.

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metalheaded · Number of posts: 435 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-12-01

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Many places are banning wood burning stoves

What in the world for??? Burning wood is one of the oldest (if not THE oldest), most comforting, cheapest ways to stay warm! What's the problem with it?

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**Tall Tyrion** · Subject: Re: Greenage Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:06 pm

Most places do it for smog control. I know Albuquerque has burn/no burn nights depending on the air quality.

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**Black Rider** · Subject: Re: Greenage Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:08 pm

There are actually people out there who think we can create energy without byproducts.

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BackFromTheDawn · Number of posts: 4617 Age: 23 Registration date: 2007-05-19

Black Rider wrote:

There are actually people out there who think we can create energy without byproducts.

I'll have what they're smoking.

I'm all for "going green" if it encourages a sense of responsibility in regards to our resources and if it is big help to people. But, like BR and TallT, mandating has the potential to be destructive...especially since most mandates are a little wacky.

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bigjtink · Subject: Re: Greenage Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:19 pm

http://bigjtink.blogspot.com/ A link to a blog I write. Though I have not written for a while. Sift through it, there is a Green article.

**Tall Tyrion** · Subject: Re: Greenage Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:58 pm

Nice blog, John. I learned a lot from it.

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angelofdarkness · Number of posts: 556 Age: 32 Registration date: 2009-05-14

Tall Tyrion wrote:

Most places do it for smog control. I know Albuquerque has burn/no burn nights depending on the air quality.

That policy is unheard of in Maine. As cold as it gets here, I can't imagine what half of the residents would do for cheap, effective heat if they ever instituted that here.

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**Tall Tyrion** · Subject: Re: Greenage Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:09 pm

Yeah, in a colder climate, it would be pretty tough to do. It does get
pretty chilly here in New Mexico, but not dangerously so. Plus, if you
have essential services like electricity of gas that get cut by snow or
ice storms, you'd have to rely on wood. Of course, in the winter in
Maine, there is probably not any smog to speak of, even in a larger town,
so it would be a moot point.

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''Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was. The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year -- now,'' Candidate Obama in 2007

angelofdarkness · Number of posts: 556 Age: 32 Registration date: 2009-05-14

No, I agree....smog has never been an issue here, thank God

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metalheaded · Number of posts: 435 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-12-01

Quote:

It has become a marketing strategy and many companies and items that claim to be green are really not.

Case in point:

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**alldatndensum** · Subject: Re: Greenage Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:35 pm

The whole "green" movement is all about "the green". It's all a money scam for the people pushing it the hardest.

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GODSWIZARD · Subject: Re: Greenage Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:44 pm

The color green is popular among......greens.

That was easy.

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**Tall Tyrion** · Subject: Re: Greenage Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:10 pm

Watermelon - that's the definition of most leftists nowadays. Green on the outside and Red on the inside.

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''Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was. The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year -- now,'' Candidate Obama in 2007

GODSWIZARD · Subject: Re: Greenage Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:12 pm

TallT said:

Quote:

Watermelon - that's the definition of most leftists nowadays. Green on the outside and Red on the inside.

And I did

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