Anyone else following this story besides me? It is all over the internet. One place you will not find it is Facebook. I just tired to befriend this guy who is standing up for God and Country and my request was denied and the guy has had his facebook page both his personal and his supporters page taken down. His name is Trevor Keezer and he was told he was fired because his Pin on his smock was outside of the company dress code. He says he wore the pin for over a year with no trouble what so ever, but about a month ago started having a lunch time Bible Study and again was told to remove the Pin. He refused and he was fired that day. This appear to be him being fired for his Bible and not really the Pin!

The Fight is on!

don't believe everything you read on the internet, ESPECIALLY when there is a big to-do about it.

I've also got a HUGE objection to the slant of this thread title, because that's absolutely NOT why the guy got canned. The reason he's no longer employed by said company is a willful, defiant violation of company policy.

The entire situation depends on whether or not the pin was noticed and ignored, or if his superiors really didn't realize until it was called to their attention. That's really all the "over a year" part means.

Once called to their attention, his superiors had no choice other than to deal with the violation of policy. Length of time is actually fairly irrelevant to that.

If there is a clearly spelled out company policy prohibiting the display of religious paraphenalia (this is usually because a corporate entity does not wish to be seen as endorsing a religion, and display by their employees of such things while on company time or grounds can be seen as such), then

1) Mr Keever never should have put the pin on in the first place. Attaching it to his smock in the first place was a direct, and perhaps deliberate, violation of company policy.

2) once informed he was in violaton of the company dress policy, it was, in fact, a requirement for continued employment to comply with said policy, or seek other employment, no different than any OTHER "personal appearance" issue.

3) If the lunch time Bible Study (the implication I get is that thsi was NOT "personal devotional time", but a group meeting) was happening on company grounds, then it TOO could well have been a violation of company policy (again, the company has it's own "rights" as far as whether or not it wishes to be seen as "endorsing" a religion, which, by allowing this to take place on Company grounds, it could have been seen as doing).


It's a pretty straight forward thing, and until I see further details from ALL parties involved come out, I'm not about to buy in on the "religious persecution" front. It's entirely possible that if Mr. Keever had displayed a little common sense, rather than getting his back up about it, he'd still be employed and able to witness to his co-workers thru his personal actions.


Instead, he's decided to try and play the martyr, and I'm not buying what he's selling....

We had this same discussion over at RI and I agree with Exo.

Like this guy, I work for a company with a specific dress code (no jeans, no visible tattoes, no earrings for men, etc.)

My first year working here, we had a "casual day" and I asked my boss if I could wear an earring that day. She consulted the personnel handbook and there wasn't anything specifically banning male earrings on casual days. So I wore a cubic zirconia earring and waltzed passed HR personnel.

I was told to remove my earring. No biggie. I did as I was asked.

This guy chose not to. Fine, you don't want to adhere to your employer's dress policy? Good luck finding a new employer.

My main objection to the way the various articles I've seen written about this incident is that they portray Home Depot as a God-hating company. Bull! They just don't want to have to deal with the small-minded moron customer who's going to claim to be offended by an employee's personal religious demonstration so they just banned all religious buttons.

IMO, this only becomes "banning God" when the HD employee with the button that says "In Allah We Trust" is allowed to wear it while this guy got fired. Until then I consider this a simple act of an employee's refusal to conform to the employer's stated policies.

Oh yeah, and the Personnel Handbook at my job now explicitly states that earrings are forbidden for males. Period. My little contribution to posterity.

That's better than getting set on fire for having a GOD pin.

I am glad you guys are so good at following the rules! I am more of a rebel than that as are most Metal Heads that I know!

It is this kind of Apathy that has allowed Secular Humanism to take over America!

All those in position of authority over us are put there by God so we are to be respectful and do what we're told as employees. I feel that Home Depot was in the right for firing Mr. Keezer for refusing to remove his pin, that is a bad witness. It wasn't like he was being asked to renounce his faith, only to remove his pin.

It's interesting to note that the apostle Paul, in the book of Romans told us to be obedient to the laws of the land and yet he was being persecuted under Ceasar Nero, who ruthlessly persecuted Christians and under whose ruling Paul was beheaded.

Let me ask you this, If it was an I love Allah pin would you even be raising this issue? I live in America......And I live in Florida. It is a right to fire state......You can be fired for any reason other than race/sexual orintation that your boss feels like. Thats how it should be. If the rules state no religious pins well then he deserves to get fired.......Oh with no uneployment as far as Im concerned. This was a rebelous act and Im sure God didnt approve. Oh Im a rebel also but my family comes first and they need to eat and have a place to live so I guess if my boss said no religious pins guess what.....no pin.

If the company cut him slack for a while but then decided to enforce the policy, it's their right to do so. The guy wasn't fired for wearing the pin, he was fired for refusing to abide by the company's rules.

My guess is that it wasn't a problem until another worker was offended by it and threatened to start wearing things to express their views-- and rather than letting an ideology war start, the company decided it was time to start enforcing the policy.

And a lot of jobs won't allow you to wear metal shirts... There is dress codes you know. If the pin had a pentagram they would have done the same thing.

All the talk about him being justifiably fired for not obeying company policy is fine, but what about ethics of Home Depot? Surely the public and/or employees can say NO! to things that are ridiculous, right? Isn't there such a thing as change, anymore?

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1. ProPan said:

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If it was an I love Allah pin.....

And I did




2. And Allah loves you.

Come here for some *Allah love*.




3. I may as well post seriously. (What a concept ........posting seriously. I must do it more )

This guy violated the company policy.

He got canned for violating the company policy.

Life goes on.

There goes life now.

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