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hellig

Number of posts: 604 Registration date: 2007-04-10
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:39 pm | |
| | Steellynx wrote: | I love beer. Period. Can't imagine my life without it. But nothing else, just beer. And I love lots of it. Of course I don't like to get drunk, so I'll have lighter stuff then...anyway, if there's a possibility to sit down with some friends and chill out, listening some great....how it was...hard rock/heavy music/metal , I always will have some beer too. Thank God I don't have to buy any imported German stuff (which is tasty, of course), because Estonian brew is absolutely fine. You just have to check it out  |
On a recent trip to Brazil, I tried a barley wine-style ale made by a local brewery named Schmitt. It was SO fresh! It is delivered cold, daily, in large glass jugs and it was only valid for 15 days. I tell you, it was an experience all its own. If you think about it, that beer didn't cross oceans in a dark container, rocking from here to there, which is why it was so crisp and flavorful. |
|  | | shadow_zone
Number of posts: 502 Age: 23 Registration date: 2008-12-03
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:16 pm | |
| I wont go as far as getting the imported beers like GW, but I love the micro brews such as anything by James Squires and Little creatures. Theyre both local brews but taste so much better than the popular ones. Im apparently a beer snob, but Im proud of that coz I wont just drink any weak flavoured filth. I did start going down the road of drunkeness, but my responsibilities to younger people in the church has prevented me from continuing that way. I really need to be careful with the situations I put myself in when Im drinking because I love being drunk. Though its not as fun as it used to be and hangovers are getting worse. That said Ive only been drunk twice in the last year, and last time was 7 months ago  |
|  | | Musclecar1975

Number of posts: 541 Age: 39 Registration date: 2009-06-15
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:40 pm | |
| | Steellynx wrote: | I love beer. Period. Can't imagine my life without it. But nothing else, just beer. And I love lots of it. Of course I don't like to get drunk, so I'll have lighter stuff then...anyway, if there's a possibility to sit down with some friends and chill out, listening some great....how it was...hard rock/heavy music/metal , I always will have some beer too. Thank God I don't have to buy any imported German stuff (which is tasty, of course), because Estonian brew is absolutely fine. You just have to check it out  |
Ok, here's another question.....what about where you drink? I don't see an issue if I had a few drinks at a show, or with some friends at home or at a restaurant, but what about a regular bar? This is definitely an issue I am struggling with, because there's a rock bar I've been going to for years, but I've been trying to stay away from there as I feel hanging there is definitely a bad witness. |
|  | | Master's Apprentice

Number of posts: 825 Age: 37 Registration date: 2009-02-20
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:59 pm | |
| Great posts here man, sounds like we are all onto it  . I drink at home. I brew my own beer. This works out great for heaps of reasons. It is tastier It is stronger (5.2%) It is cheaper - at least half the price of purchased beer I either have a few with my mates when they are over, or have a few when having a metal session. This avoids all the hassles of drinking out - expensive, young drunk idiots, fights, hot women always hitting on me etc  |
|  | | punksnuffer

Number of posts: 231 Age: 22 Registration date: 2008-07-26
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:45 pm | |
| | Musclecar1975 wrote: | | Steellynx wrote: | I love beer. Period. Can't imagine my life without it. But nothing else, just beer. And I love lots of it. Of course I don't like to get drunk, so I'll have lighter stuff then...anyway, if there's a possibility to sit down with some friends and chill out, listening some great....how it was...hard rock/heavy music/metal , I always will have some beer too. Thank God I don't have to buy any imported German stuff (which is tasty, of course), because Estonian brew is absolutely fine. You just have to check it out  |
Ok, here's another question.....what about where you drink? I don't see an issue if I had a few drinks at a show, or with some friends at home or at a restaurant, but what about a regular bar? This is definitely an issue I am struggling with, because there's a rock bar I've been going to for years, but I've been trying to stay away from there as I feel hanging there is definitely a bad witness. |
wherever you are beer is beer, no difference. if you feel its wrong to do something in public then its kind of hipicritical to do it in private in my opinion. _________________ this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?
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|  | | Musclecar1975

Number of posts: 541 Age: 39 Registration date: 2009-06-15
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:56 pm | |
| | shadow_zone wrote: | I wont go as far as getting the imported beers like GW, but I love the micro brews such as anything by James Squires and Little creatures. Theyre both local brews but taste so much better than the popular ones. Im apparently a beer snob, but Im proud of that coz I wont just drink any weak flavoured filth.
I did start going down the road of drunkeness, but my responsibilities to younger people in the church has prevented me from continuing that way. I really need to be careful with the situations I put myself in when Im drinking because I love being drunk. Though its not as fun as it used to be and hangovers are getting worse. That said Ive only been drunk twice in the last year, and last time was 7 months ago  |
Yup, I've gotten drunk a few times witin the last few months, so I'm trying to stay away from that. Being drunk if definitely not fun for me anymore and hangovers are worse, ick. Punksnuffer, I wasn't talking about drinking in private vs. drinking in public. I was talking about my dilemma about drinking in a bar as opposed to drinking with friends (which for me could be when I'm hanging with them at a show) and how drinking at a bar (no reason to be there since there are no bands, and bars are pretty much pick up joints) could be a bad witness because bars are known as places to get picked up at. |
|  | | Musclecar1975

Number of posts: 541 Age: 39 Registration date: 2009-06-15
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:58 pm | |
| | Master's Apprentice wrote: | Great posts here man, sounds like we are all onto it . I drink at home. I brew my own beer. This works out great for heaps of reasons. It is tastier It is stronger (5.2%) It is cheaper - at least half the price of purchased beer I either have a few with my mates when they are over, or have a few when having a metal session. This avoids all the hassles of drinking out - expensive, young drunk idiots, fights, hot women always hitting on me etc  |
Yes, I'm sure you found it quite annoying at having hot women pick up on you, LOL!  |
|  | | punksnuffer

Number of posts: 231 Age: 22 Registration date: 2008-07-26
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:28 pm | |
| true, if you're single and in a bar its generally a place for looking for a pick up. To me I think if you go just for a drink its fine but its a personal thing for yourself. if you feel its wrong then i wouldn't go. God Gives you a comfort meter, and just like i can listen to non-christian bands and feel freedom in doing so, alldatndensum don't feel the need to so because his relationship with God is different. _________________ this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?
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|  | | punksnuffer

Number of posts: 231 Age: 22 Registration date: 2008-07-26
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:30 pm | |
| and IMO bars are a rip off you can avoid if possible.....I only go when my wife comes along as a date. _________________ this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?
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|  | | Musclecar1975

Number of posts: 541 Age: 39 Registration date: 2009-06-15
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:44 pm | |
| | punksnuffer wrote: | | and IMO bars are a rip off you can avoid if possible.....I only go when my wife comes along as a date. |
What you say about bars is generally true. I struggle because there's this one bar that I've been going to for years, it's a haven for hard rock/metal fans and they play great music. I love hanging out there and having some drinks and talking to my friends on Saturday nights, sometimes having dinner there (they have great food.) I started hanging out there again in recent months, but felt convicted. Now I'm not going, though I would still love to hang out there once in a while but don't think that's a good idea (because of my conviction.) |
|  | | intrigued1

Number of posts: 295 Age: 41 Registration date: 2009-01-25
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:28 am | |
| I am 41 years old. I have never tasted alcohol in my entire life. I grew up in a denomination that stands against alcohol. Once upon a time I taught a membership class for my church. When I came to our stance on alcohol I introduced it by saying that there are things in this world that we (my denomination) simply do not want to be associated with. In the case of alcohol there have been so many evils associated with it through the years that our church preaches total abstinance as the best policy (and only policy for members.) Please do not mistake this post as looking for an argument. I am not. Nor am I condeming anyone who does drink. I simply want to point out this alternative. I have no desires for alcohol and do not see where my life is any less fulfilled for not having it. |
|  | | Master's Apprentice

Number of posts: 825 Age: 37 Registration date: 2009-02-20
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:01 am | |
| | intrigued1 wrote: | I am 41 years old. I have never tasted alcohol in my entire life. I grew up in a denomination that stands against alcohol.
Once upon a time I taught a membership class for my church. When I came to our stance on alcohol I introduced it by saying that there are things in this world that we (my denomination) simply do not want to be associated with. In the case of alcohol there have been so many evils associated with it through the years that our church preaches total abstinance as the best policy (and only policy for members.)
Please do not mistake this post as looking for an argument. I am not. Nor am I condeming anyone who does drink. I simply want to point out this alternative. I have no desires for alcohol and do not see where my life is any less fulfilled for not having it. |
Good for you mate, you stick to your principles but do not judge others who are different from you. |
|  | | intrigued1

Number of posts: 295 Age: 41 Registration date: 2009-01-25
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:35 am | |
| [quote="Kit"]I'll drink when it's right. There is absolutely nothing in the Bible that speaks against alcohol. What about Leviticus 10:9, Proverbs 20:1, Proverbs 31:5, Ezekiel 44:21, Hosea 4:11, Ephesians 5:18, 1 Timothy 3:3, Titus 1:7? These verses seem to speak against strong drink, against getting drunk, and against leaders/deacons being addicted to wine. So I would say the bible does have something to say against alcohol. Believe it or not I am not, as stated in my previous post, I am not looking to start an argument. I felt compelled to resond though in reading this thread. Is it right for Christians to drink? I believe it is not. Can I give you a chapter and verse in the Bible that says, "Thou shalt not drink alcohol"? Of course not because it is not there. But there are enough verses like the ones mentioned above to start discussion and at the very least I think we could agree that drunkenness is a sin. Not all of the posts seem to even have an issue with getting drunk and that makes me uncomfortable on the topic of Christians and drinking. I have no problem with those who would disagree with my view of not drinking. Can we agree drunkenness is a sin? |
|  | | Steellynx

Number of posts: 66 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-10-09
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:13 am | |
| | hellig wrote: | | Steellynx wrote: | I love beer. Period. Can't imagine my life without it. But nothing else, just beer. And I love lots of it. Of course I don't like to get drunk, so I'll have lighter stuff then...anyway, if there's a possibility to sit down with some friends and chill out, listening some great....how it was...hard rock/heavy music/metal , I always will have some beer too. Thank God I don't have to buy any imported German stuff (which is tasty, of course), because Estonian brew is absolutely fine. You just have to check it out  |
On a recent trip to Brazil, I tried a barley wine-style ale made by a local brewery named Schmitt. It was SO fresh! It is delivered cold, daily, in large glass jugs and it was only valid for 15 days. I tell you, it was an experience all its own. If you think about it, that beer didn't cross oceans in a dark container, rocking from here to there, which is why it was so crisp and flavorful. |
Absolutely! I can see your point! It is living stuff, not some crap full of preservatives. I've made some home brew this summer (over 15 years) and had (actually still have) some really nice moments...  |
|  | | Steellynx

Number of posts: 66 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-10-09
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:29 am | |
| | Musclecar1975 wrote: | | Steellynx wrote: | I love beer. Period. Can't imagine my life without it. But nothing else, just beer. And I love lots of it. Of course I don't like to get drunk, so I'll have lighter stuff then...anyway, if there's a possibility to sit down with some friends and chill out, listening some great....how it was...hard rock/heavy music/metal , I always will have some beer too. Thank God I don't have to buy any imported German stuff (which is tasty, of course), because Estonian brew is absolutely fine. You just have to check it out  |
Ok, here's another question.....what about where you drink? I don't see an issue if I had a few drinks at a show, or with some friends at home or at a restaurant, but what about a regular bar? This is definitely an issue I am struggling with, because there's a rock bar I've been going to for years, but I've been trying to stay away from there as I feel hanging there is definitely a bad witness. |
I do that usually at home. Never would go to the bar, it's not any kinda principle of mine...it's just happened that way...even the restaurant thing happens really rarely...I've got a nice, quite a big (and old) house out the city and quite large garden to, so nobody would be disturbed, I believe...I really don't miss any kinda bars or restaurants these places are not for me  |
|  | | hellig

Number of posts: 604 Registration date: 2007-04-10
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:04 am | |
| | Steellynx wrote: | | hellig wrote: | | Steellynx wrote: | I love beer. Period. Can't imagine my life without it. But nothing else, just beer. And I love lots of it. Of course I don't like to get drunk, so I'll have lighter stuff then...anyway, if there's a possibility to sit down with some friends and chill out, listening some great....how it was...hard rock/heavy music/metal , I always will have some beer too. Thank God I don't have to buy any imported German stuff (which is tasty, of course), because Estonian brew is absolutely fine. You just have to check it out  |
On a recent trip to Brazil, I tried a barley wine-style ale made by a local brewery named Schmitt. It was SO fresh! It is delivered cold, daily, in large glass jugs and it was only valid for 15 days. I tell you, it was an experience all its own.
If you think about it, that beer didn't cross oceans in a dark container, rocking from here to there, which is why it was so crisp and flavorful. |
Absolutely! I can see your point! It is living stuff, not some crap full of preservatives. I've made some home brew this summer (over 15 years) and had (actually still have) some really nice moments...  |
So this talk about barley wine made me go out hunting for some last night. I found a Sierra Nevada one called the Bigfoot. I have to say, I didn't like it very much. Very hoppy, with almost an IPA finish. I remember the Schmitt being much milder and sweeter. |
|  | | Musclecar1975

Number of posts: 541 Age: 39 Registration date: 2009-06-15
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:46 am | |
| | intrigued1 wrote: | | Not all of the posts seem to even have an issue with getting drunk and that makes me uncomfortable on the topic of Christians and drinking. I have no problem with those who would disagree with my view of not drinking. Can we agree drunkenness is a sin? |
I haven't seen any posts here that advocated getting drunk. The concensus here is that getting drunk is a sin, which I stated already in my original post. I'm sure everyone on here knows that they don't have to drink, but I would leave that leading to the Holy Spirit. |
|  | | Black Rider Man in Morph

Number of posts: 14613 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:23 am | |
| | Quote: | | Is it right for Christians to drink? I believe it is not. |
So what do you do with Jesus turning water into wine or Paul telling Timothy to drink a little wine? Some would argue that's just juice but it wouldn't be the best wine if it was juice and a little grape juice wouldn't help the stomach. I totally respect your stance but can I point out one arguement you used is a strawman. Sex has also caused much trouble in this world but you wouldn't argue to totally deny oneself that if they are married. Again, as you said, not looking to fight but just have a discussion. And being drunk is totally a sin. _________________ I don't have time for all if it, so I pick my battles. I concentrate on spotting and weeding out satanic paper, handkerchiefs (do you really want Satan that close to your nose?) and eggs. I can spot satanic eggs at Wal Mart like a frickin' drug sniffing dog.
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|  | | punksnuffer

Number of posts: 231 Age: 22 Registration date: 2008-07-26
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:35 am | |
| lets not forget Jesus turned water into wine after everyone was into their drinking.... not saying its great to get drunk but the reason to drink is to get at the least buzzed. to each his own I personally dont mind drinking but its not worth getting the spins, blacking out and a hangover. I think its a waste of good beer to get drunk past the point of puking and passing out. _________________ this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?
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|  | | Bl4cFoxx
Number of posts: 181 Age: 15 Registration date: 2008-12-21
 | Subject: Re: Christians and Drinking Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:02 am | |
| | intrigued1 wrote: | I am 41 years old. I have never tasted alcohol in my entire life. I grew up in a denomination that stands against alcohol. Once upon a time I taught a membership class for my church. When I came to our stance on alcohol I introduced it by saying that there are things in this world that we (my denomination) simply do not want to be associated with. In the case of alcohol there have been so many evils associated with it through the years that our church preaches total abstinance as the best policy (and only policy for members.) Please do not mistake this post as looking for an argument. I am not. Nor am I condeming anyone who does drink. I simply want to point out this alternative. I have no desires for alcohol and do not see where my life is any less fulfilled for not having it. |
I thought I was going to be the only one who thought this way. Again, not condemning anyone, or looking down on people, but that's pretty much my stand point on alcohol. The only difference is that I'm 15 and I don't wanna do alcohol at all. I know its going to be hard...but I think I can do it. |
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