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no-YOU! brother of the Son

Number of posts: 936 Age: 38 Registration date: 2007-04-06
 | Subject: Stupid Question??? Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:12 pm | |
| Something I've always wondered about. How could mankind have been "fruitful & multiply" before they even knew that they were naked? Please don't blast me, I know it's a dumb question, but I have always wondered about it. _________________ But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. Mathew 6: 3-4
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 | Subject: Re: Stupid Question??? Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:34 pm | |
| umm... I guess you don't need clothes to know that 2 X 2 = 4 I think they knew they were naked and knew how to multiply, but that it wasn't shamefull before they sinned. |
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 | Subject: Re: Stupid Question??? Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:50 pm | |
| When reading Biblical narrative, try to focus on the details that the author (in the case of Genesis, it was Moses) does supply the reader with. Anything else wasn't important to either the human author or the Spirit who inspired them to include. Attempting to 'fill in' details that the text itself doesn't provide is simply a waste of time. The command to 'be fruitful and multiply' (known as the Creation Mandate) is simply meant to demonstrate that the human race expanded by Divine decree. The text doesn't describe the nature of Adam and Eve's sexual understanding or the nature of coitus before the Fall. Sure it would've been interesting to see and have details about the first sexual encounter in human history. All we know is that, like all of creation at that time, it was perfect, which would suggest no limitations to their sexual imaginations or the emotions and sensations associated with intercourse (not to mention the amount of semen that Adam could produce  ). I'm sure that they put Sting and his wife Trudy Stiler, who claim to have Buddhist tantric sex for hours at a time, to shame on every level. One book that might interest you is entitled The Genesis of Sex: Sexual Relationships in the First Book of the Bible by O. Palmer Robertson, a Reformed Evangelical OT scholar. It will help you better understand the importance of sex (there are 20 types of sexual relationships mentioned in Genesis, each of which this book discusses) within God's overall plan for redemptive history as well as the Creation Mandate itself. |
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SideShow

Number of posts: 634 Registration date: 2007-01-28
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metalheadz

Number of posts: 687 Age: 18 Registration date: 2007-04-07
 | Subject: Re: Stupid Question??? Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:48 am | |
| Genesis 3:16 To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you." Wouldn't this imply they had knowledge of sex and childbirth before the fall? _________________ "Nonviolence means avoiding not only external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit. You not only refuse to shoot a man, but you refuse to hate him." - Martin Luther King Jr.  | Quote: | | ultmetal wrote: | | Both! All wankers are banned! |
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GODSWIZARD Play it LOUD!!

Number of posts: 17975 Age: 52 Registration date: 2007-01-06
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 | Subject: Re: Stupid Question??? Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:21 am | |
| | metalheadz wrote: | Genesis 3:16 To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you." Wouldn't this imply they had knowledge of sex and childbirth before the fall? |
The Fall occurs in Genesis 3:6-7. Genesis 3:14-19 describe its effects and consequences upon creation. For God to simply mention childbirth to Adam and Eve with no further explanation of what it entails in Genesis 3:16 implies that they had prior sexual and procreative knowledge. |
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Missionary

Number of posts: 127 Registration date: 2007-04-26
 | Subject: Re: Stupid Question??? Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:39 am | |
| | sindizzy98 wrote: | | How could mankind have been "fruitful & multiply" before they even knew that they were naked?. |
you're actually combining two different thoughts that aren't really connected. the scripture is speaking of their physical nakedness as an illustration of a spiritual nakedness. the instant they sinned, they became aware of the absence of God's covering, covenant, and fellowship. they were seperated from God. the gospel is illustrated through God clothing them with animal skins...the first sacrifice.
the pro-creation blessing and the nakedness issue are two different things._________________ "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6myspace/missionsfamily |
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Follower of Jesus

Number of posts: 3334 Age: 36 Registration date: 2007-04-07
 | Subject: Re: Stupid Question??? Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:52 am | |
| I think you might be over-spiritualizing it, Missionary. Its an interesting interpretation, and fully possible as it does fit with the remainder of Scripture. However, the first thing they did was try to cover themselves physically. That says to me that the nakedness spoken of here was physical. They did from God in shame of what they had done, sure. But the nakedness spoken of was not spiritual nakedness in my view. |
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Missionary

Number of posts: 127 Registration date: 2007-04-26
 | Subject: Re: Stupid Question??? Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:45 am | |
| yeah, i didn't explain that well, did i? i agree they were neh-kid. the question of "how could they be fruitful if they didn't know they were naked..." is a misunderstanding of two entirely different discoveries combined into one thought. they obviously had the knowledge to understand their ability to physically procreate before the fall. after, they covered themselves physically as a result of their spiritual awareness of being ashamed before God; spiritually neh-kid. it goes even further when you consider that their own attempts to cover themselves was insufficient and God finally covered them Himself. it's not simply a situation of indiscreet embarrassment. _________________ "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6myspace/missionsfamily |
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Corpus Mysticum

Number of posts: 215 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Stupid Question??? Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:00 am | |
| Weren't Cain and Able born after the Fall? There's no mention of Adam and Eve having children before the Fall. After it, pretty suddenly they get children. _________________ In America, you can always find a party. In Soviet Russia, Party finds YOU!
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 | Subject: Re: Stupid Question??? Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:41 am | |
| Cain & Abel were born after the Fall according to Genesis 4. There's nothing in the text suggesting that procreation started as a result of the Fall, if that's what you're getting at. |
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Corpus Mysticum

Number of posts: 215 Registration date: 2007-04-09
 | Subject: Re: Stupid Question??? Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:31 am | |
| Not as a result, but you could add up the facts that they only realised they were naked after the Fall and them suddenly getting children after the Fall and conclude that the Fall opened the option of multiplication. _________________ In America, you can always find a party. In Soviet Russia, Party finds YOU!
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