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NoahsFaith
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|  Subject: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc  Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:21 pm | |
| I'm not trying to start a new thread on Roman Catholicism, I just wanted to make sure everyone sees this. It is a current event. I have also posted this in the Roman Catholicism thread.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56612 |
|  | | Sir Shred A Lot
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:26 pm | |
| A key part of that document says this:
| Quote: | "These
separated churches and communities, though we believe they suffer from
defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the
mystery of salvation," the document read. "In fact the Spirit of Christ
has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose
value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been
entrusted to the Catholic Church." |
That's pretty much the same thing that most Protestants say about the Catholic Church. |
| | | | dOOm&gLOOm
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:02 pm | |
| Shouldn't we keep this all to one thread?
EDIT: BTW I don't mean that "All catholocism discussion..." thread, I mean, why are there two threads for this article?
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| | | | STRUTTER777
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:44 pm | |
| The Pope of the Roman Church should consider doing stand-up! This would be a great joke if it wasn't just plain sad.
Wake up, there are a lot of members of the Roman Church in the U.S.A. right now!
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| | | | Sir Shred A Lot
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:05 pm | |
| | STRUTTER777 wrote: | The Pope of the Roman Church should consider doing stand-up! This would be a great joke if it wasn't just plain sad.
Wake up, there are a lot of members of the Roman Church in the U.S.A. right now! |
I'd be curious to know which specific statement from the pope you find to be the most humorous. |
| | | | GODSWIZARD
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:20 pm | |
| When I was in my teens and my early twenties.......I was a *card carrying member* of the Church Of Good Times. 
That church was pretty humorous at times. 
(Greg looks around the room and sees that everyone is glaring, annoyed at him. He pulls his head back through the door and shuts it quietly)
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| | | | Angel with Attitude
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:38 am | |
| No offense to those whom The Popeness holds some 'special' place..
The apostolic authority bit is farrrrr reaching and is long worn out. 
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| | | | Kuba
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:58 am | |
| | Sir Shred A Lot wrote: | "These
separated churches and communities, though we believe they suffer from
defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the
mystery of salvation," the document read. "In fact the Spirit of Christ
has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose
value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been
entrusted to the Catholic Church." |
You know what though, dude? That is if your are an Ecumenical Protestant.. If you reject the Papacy and want no part of the Ecumenical movment, you are considered a heretic and anathema (cursed to Hell). It is not readily accessable information, but it is contained within the Roman Catholic Encyclopedia, within the Vatiacn II Constitution of Church Law aswell as numerous Papl Decrees from through the centuries. It is not exactly something that they advertise allot, but if you corner research it, ultimately if you do not go along with the Pope, you are looked at asacursed to the Papacy. Not neccesarily with the members, individualy..
It is funny though this comment..
STRUTTER777 wrote:The Pope of the Roman Church should consider doing stand-up! This would be a great joke if it wasn't just plain sad.
Wake up, there are a lot of members of the Roman Church in the U.S.A. right now!
LOL
I was gang attacked on a certain "FLAMING RIVER" forum by the Papacy that runs their Theology Thread for not much more than that little joke and this thread.. Can you imagine that?? Little OL ME in trouble at the FLAMINGRIVER??
All I did was post this:
talk about comedy.. Sorry Pope, you don;t scare me..
Oh and there was this...
What's that Pope am I going to heaven ?? yess,, uh NO??!!
And there was my favorite:
"Don't forget to start off your day with a Vatican Approved Breakfast
of EGGS POPE BENEDICT! THE ONE TRUE BREAKFAST!!"
But now they are lableing me as an Anti Catholic.. NOT TRUE!! They think I am going to Hell, not the other way around! How is it that the Pope can open his mouth and stick a Holy foot in it by challenging my faith and the faith of millions of devoted Christians world wide, but we have to walk on eggshell responiding to it.. Martin Luther use political humor and the papacy wanted to exicute him for it..
My good friend Rex Scott for a band called X Sinner (he said I could drop his name), who himself is Catholic, were talking about this yesterday and how I was banned for posting these (only after I was stoped from posting scriptures on this matter mind you) and he thought they were hallarious!!
He knows I do not believe in the Papacy, nor even the Ecumenical movement, but he is not bent on converting me as many Chatholics seem..
I am not even saying that they are evil or not real Christians.. I just belive no matter what Christian denomination we are, Asseblies of God, Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran or what, God will ultimately look at our hearts to see if we really knew Jesus Christ or not..
Sorry for visiting CMR under such crappy conditions! I hope you guys don't ban me too now, but I really dont give a crap anymore.. When I am told that my Church is not a real Church, which is basically saying we are not real Christians either, I don't really care if I offend the Pope or his followers when responding to that assinine statement..
John Paul The II was a POPE Chatholics and non Catholic adored.. Even ones like me who didn't agree with all he siad either. But this New Pope, is BAD NEWS!! I hope enough Catholics stand up and reform against this Pope..
TY
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| | | | Angel with Attitude
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:07 pm | |
| Kuba-That eggs Benedict pic is priceless!! 
My impression is.. questions are somewhat difficult for Catholicism as is consistency doctrine-wise. And no one has to answer this either.  I'm simply wondering out loud.
I've come to wonder how the apostles (through whom these peeps claim to have this unquestionable overarching authority over the church on earth) ever once said they had power on earth to forgive sins. They didn't.... but Jesus did.
It just seems that there is alot of bureaucracy and a lack of transparency and consistency and simple control over many poor ignorant masses around the world.
It is with this grain of salt that I take anything they say or do (and by they I mean, the leadership of RCC.) I don't want to unduly slamm but I hardly can take it seriously either. 
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| | | | GODSWIZARD
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:25 pm | |
| Speaking of the pics................
That eggs Benedict one was amusing.
But................
The first one just sent me into laughter.......out loud. That was the priceless one IMO.
Angel said:
| Quote: | | I don't want to unduly slamm but I hardly can take it seriously either |
Yeah...... , "unduly slamm" part.
Wrong doctrine is never to be taken seriously IMO.  
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| | | | endlessfuneral2003
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:19 pm | |
| While we are on the subject... my bro and myself did this a few years ago :P
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| | | | STRUTTER777
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:22 pm | |
| | Quote: | | It just seems that there is alot of bureaucracy and a lack of transparency and consistency and simple control over many poor ignorant masses around the world. |
I can back that up first hand:
| Quote: | I was very careful to make it explicitly clear to my brothers in the Roman Church, that I do not wish to criticize innocent individuals in the group, but only to criticize things within the organization which I seriously disagree with, in light of the AIDS crisis, recent scandals, etc.
I also stated many of their members may agree with me on some of these issues. I also praised them for the things I believe they are doing right.
However, I also lived many years in the largest Roman Church-influenced country on this PLANET, and saw first hand the worst of it: mean-spirited, arrogant Bishops who live in the Bishop's Palace, who slam evangelical believers over the radio, despite the fact that the evangelicals are rolling up their sleeves to work directly with the poorest of the poor, who have no lights or running water, in the favelas.
I have seen the worst of how paganism, spiritism, and voodoo are condoned and embraced as long as the ocean godess, etc. is kind of disguised as a version of the Virgin Mary. The promoting or acceptance of whipping one's self bloody as a not-so-fun way to pay for your own sins and celebrate holy week.
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| | | | Kuba
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:12 am | |
| | Quote: | I can back that up first hand:
I was very careful to make it explicitly clear to my brothers in the Roman Church, that I do not wish to criticize innocent individuals in the group, but only to criticize things within the organization which I seriously disagree with, in light of the AIDS crisis, recent scandals, etc.
I also stated many of their members may agree with me on some of these issues. I also praised them for the things I believe they are doing right.
However, I also lived many years in the largest Roman Church-influenced country on this PLANET, and saw first hand the worst of it: mean-spirited, arrogant Bishops who live in the Bishop's Palace, who slam evangelical believers over the radio, despite the fact that the evangelicals are rolling up their sleeves to work directly with the poorest of the poor, who have no lights or running water, in the favelas.
I have seen the worst of how paganism, spiritism, and voodoo are condoned and embraced as long as the ocean godess, etc. is kind of disguised as a version of the Virgin Mary. The promoting or acceptance of whipping one's self bloody as a not-so-fun way to pay for your own sins and celebrate holy week.
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Where is this quote from, if I may ask?
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| | | | candlemass
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:05 am | |
| | Ya know, this is sad, this is utter disrespect for the Pope, nothing sacred eh? |
| | | | STRUTTER777
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| | | | | Angel with Attitude
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:55 pm | |
| 'Flaming River'...hahha I get it now...duH 
They can get somewhat uptight over there, particularly around theology.
| Quote: | That eggs Benedict one was amusing.
But................
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I think this one tickled me most because :
a. I've seen the other before and it was just as funny IMO as the same one of JP2 who I thought was pretty rockin'  I found some pics of him when he was a younger man
from a story chronicling his life and I must say, with all respect, that he looked prettA sharp.  
b. Eggs benedict is my fav fancy breakfast ( aside from
some variation of French, er freedom toast (< SO stupid)
c. I have a warped and cartoonish imagination and would probably set up and take that pic myself..if someone hadn't already beat me to it. 
| Quote: | | Ya know, this is sad, this is utter disrespect for the Pope, nothing sacred eh? |
Without getting too offensive, which is not my forte in the slightest....um 
To those whom the person or office of the Pope is sacred, it is. To the rest, it isn't.
I suppose I could really study as to why some peeps feel it is, but I don't think it will change my mind. I suppose that could mean opening myself to a label of choosing ignorance.
From what I have learned, I don't believe this man or his massive bureaucracy of underlings have any special power on Earth more than anyone else. I do believe The RCC has taught people otherwise and not to question it.
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| | | | GODSWIZARD
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:17 pm | |
| Angel said:
| Quote: | To those whom the person or office of the Pope is sacred, it is. To the rest, it isn't.
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That would be me too.....not sacred.
Then Angel said:
| Quote: | | From what I have learned, I don't believe this man or his massive bureaucracy of underlings have any special power on Earth more than anyone else. I do believe The RCC has taught people otherwise and not to question it. |
Bingo.
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| | | | candlemass
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:56 pm | |
| | So as long as any of you don't hold a paticular person or object as sacred, it's all good. Let someone from the Warpath come over here though and depict Christ in such a manner and they'll get banned, good ol' protestant elitism! |
| | | | STRUTTER777
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:00 pm | |
| Are you comparing the Pope to Christ?!?
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| | | | Angel with Attitude
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| | Subject: Re: Pope: So, you're not Catholic? Then you're not in true Churc Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:13 pm | |
| | Quote: | | So as long as any of you don't hold a paticular person or object as sacred, it's all good. Let someone from the Warpath come over here though and depict Christ in such a manner and they'll get banned, good ol' protestant elitism! |
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I'm not aware of what is being referenced here but I will tell you this. I did a Google image search of Jesus and a good 60% of those images would disturb plenty of people I know. One of my favorites which I will probably not post anywhere is an image that highly resembles one of those " seeing the blessed virgin or the Lord on a tortilla" type things... It was uncanny how much it looked like many pics of Jesus we've seen and, it turned out to be, upon closer examination, a closeup of the rear end of a dog, with Jesus' face being the dogs browneye. Shocking? Yes. Funny? Yes. Am I over it? I never got freaked out about it. That's for Muslims, btw. :D
So, is Jesus sacred? I don't like that word so much, He is holy.
Does any image change that? Nope!
For those who esteem him such, is the Pope any less because he is parodied? I don't think so.
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