Ok, I know in Isaiah 14 it talks about Lucifer falling (I looked it up in the KJV). It says he tried to "exalt" himself above the throne of God and was cast out.

But, where do we get some of the other ideas attributed to Lucifer? I honestly don't know if they're in the Bible or not...but when I search "Lucifer" in the KJV at BibleGateway.org, it only comes up once...in Isaiah 14.

Where do the following attributes come from?

- Lucifer was a musician in heaven

- Lucifer took 1/3 of heaven with him

- Lucifer was the most beloved of all the angels

I believe Lucifer is mentioned in Ezekiel 28. Although it doesnt say his name, a little bit of net research does point to this chapter in Ezekeil...although it doesnt mention anything about him being a musician etc.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028;&version=9;

You're talking about this?

Quote:

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Let me elaborate more...


Lucifer = based on Latin "lux ferre," which means something like "light-bearer" or "bearer of light"

Satan = based on Hebrew "Satan," which means "adversary."

Devil = based on Greek "diabolos," which means "slanderer" or "accuser."

Here is one verse that I know of that is used to imply Satan is musical:

"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created." (Ezekial 28:13)

The reference to "tabrets" is where I have heard people say this reference to Satan being musical comes from. A tabret apparently is something like tambourine. Here is a link to show other places where it is used in the Bible:

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H08596&Version=kjv

This is a

Fun to read.

Whatever its/his true and factual Biblical references are.............

I have come to this conclusion in my 27+ years as a Christian.

This *Lucifer*..........

This *Satan*..........

This *Diablos*..........

This *Beelzebub*..........

This *Being*..........

This being (notice that I use small letters at the start of the words now........and I do it out of sheer disgust and total disrespect) or personality or character is not the essence of evil IMO. It is not the personification of evil IMO. I believe......that it/he is an individual being with a centralized and unique *presence* and/or *location*.

This being......this satan or lucifer.......call it/him what you will.......is disgusting and worthy of my loathing and disrespect. I hate his/its guts. This being has led my species into sin and into rebellion.......and he/it finds a perverted joy in it. This being finds perverted joy in the suffering and misery and tears and bloodshed and violence of 5,000+ years of recorded and fairly well documented human history. This being gets a *thrill* or gets *turned on* or finds a *perverted and sadistic joy* in the rebellion of my species and all that goes (negatively) with it.

I spit on this being.

So, in a nutshell, "Lucifer" is barely alluded to in the Bible using different names & vague references...

At least, that's how it looks.

If we are to know our main adversary (know what we're up against) why isn't more detail given?

Ok, I overstated.

It just doesn't seem as "direct" as it maybe should be (I feel like) for something that is supposed to be our ultimate adversary.

Not trying to kick up any dust or anything...just wondering.

So, simply put, the only reason he has different names is mainly because different languages were chosen as base-translations?

Kind of like my first name, Michael, in French is "Michel" and in Russian is "Mikiel"? Something like that?

OK...thanks. I'll keep looking into it.

I do think the references to him being a musician, most beloved, etc are extremely vague...

I saw this while Googling. Granted, it's from a Mormon website, but I found it interesting:

Quote:

"Lucifer" makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell? The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."