Homosexual Christians

Man in Morph Age : 40 Joined : 08 Apr 2007 Posts : 8523

You guys are making me proud. Seriously. Very good discussion.

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Here here!

Great discussion.

Here in town, we (friends & I) have had serious discussion about issues like this.

I can say, for me. . . . . (fill in my thoughts here). Period. I can't tell some stranger across the continent what is best for him/her other than - seek ye first. . . . and follow God's will for your life. What about those unfortunate folks that are born with dual sexuality? Someone had to 'choose' a sex for them - and what if the parents/doctors got it wrong?

My problem with "Pastor Dave" - is that (And this is according to MY interpretation!!) I see homosexuality as sin. He doesn't.

I would view what he is saying, to be as appropriate as a thief - i.e. the Stealing Pastor. ???? Doesn't make sense to me - but I'm not Dave.

I don't like how someone questions his logic in the blog comments - and he completely goes off. . . . first calling them Legalistic and judgemental (Hello - pot. . .kettle???) and then compares them to Fred Phelps. Hello - jump in logic anyone???

Ok, so anyway - GREAT thread. Looking outside your own experience. . . and thinking. I'm proud of us! Smile

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One of the main reasons I also see it as sin is this:

Regardless of what it may or may not say in the Bible, I believe God creates with purpose. He made men & women to "fit" each other for a purpose...to share love & create life. That is still the purpose. The fit is physical and emotional...men & women are 2 different animals emotionally and they are needed to "complete" each other.

Two men or two women desiring each other sexually, aside from whatever love they may feel (or think they feel), doesn't serve any purpose at all other than "release". There's no "fit" physically or emotionally.

Now, I know that men & women also abuse sex and use it for "release" as well. And I do think it's hypocritical to cry on and on about the "sanctity of marriage" when there's a 50% divorce rate, even amongst Chrisitians...but the fact still remains that homosexual sex (as well as pre-marital, "recreational" hetero-sex) is a pointless, self-serving act...it serves no purpose.

If two married people have sex for the purpose of simply enjoying each other and purposefully avoid pregnancy, then they are still serving at least a portion of God's purpose.
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Good post Shawn. Twisted Evil

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Thanks.

All that said, it still doesn't advocate the mistreatment of homosexual people by the church.
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The GOD enabled SPIRIT moved body of CHRIST, known as *The Church*, should not mistreat anyone. Ever. Period. Evil or Very Mad

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Subject: Re: Homosexual Christians Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:43 am

hmmm

sticky subject, but since we're already here and it's referenced throughout....

WHAT constitutes 'abuse' of the gays?

Some might say, simply telling them what the Bible sez on the subject..like the gay pastor called the 'clobber verses'.....

It's like this: I don't have to mention any of that with a gay person and don't. THEY bring up all the Scriptures they have a problem with first EVERY time, like what I say about it will define how they view ME and if I'M an abuser.

From where I sit, those verses have nothing to do with me, I can't change what they say and don't actually want to talk about it. When I come up against something in the word that speaks to something that is an issue for me, I don't go to anyone trying to see if they have a different, less literalistic view on the Scripture or to test if they will judge me by being in agreement with it.

I face that God has my number and deal. Embarassed

There are things that are obviously abuse. However, I find the gays the most touchy and most interested in denial as a group.
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Subject: Re: Homosexual Christians Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:35 am

OK, that helps.

Man in Morph Age : 40 Joined : 08 Apr 2007 Posts : 8523

As an interesting aside, has anyone heard about the bills in Congress that would put into legislation as hate crimes calling homosexuality a sin?

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(Insert a dark and humorless laughter here)

Wes said: