Buddhism And Self Murder

STRUTTER777 · Subject: Buddhism And Self Murder Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:58 pm

Does Buddhism condone self-murder?
Buddhist monks gave the clear impression that it does with their horrible and violent act of setting themselves on fire during the John F. Kennedy years. Way to put an ugly face on Buddhism! Let's hope their actions do not reflect the true teachings of their "religion".

Can anyone tell me if Buddhism actually condones the terrible violence of suicide???

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STRUTTER777 wrote:

Does Buddhism condone self-murder?
Buddhist monks gave the clear impression that it does with their horrible and violent act of setting themselves on fire during the John F. Kennedy years. Way to put an ugly face on Buddhism! Let's hope their actions do not reflect the true teachings of their "religion".

Can anyone tell me if Buddhism actually condones the terrible violence of suicide???

Some do, some don't.

Just as some Christians condone self-flagellation or re-enact the crucifixion of Jesus by being crucified themselves.

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I have never heard of Buddhism doing such but I don't know a lot about it. I have always viewed it as a religion of peace.
Why did some set themselves on fire during the JFK years?
I have read that they like to take what's called "the middle way" and they stay away from all forms of extremism and believe in virtue so I can't imagine Buddhists condoning suicide.

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Here is an article from the Journal of Buddhist Ethics that addresses the issue and explains the differing perspectives: http://www.buddhistethics.org/3/keown3.html

It's probably tough to understand the article fully without a working knowledge of Buddhism, but at least it demonstrates the diversity of views that Buddhists hold toward the issue of suicide.

Missionary · Number of posts: 127 Registration date: 2007-04-26

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I have always viewed it as a religion of peace.

It's a dark and repressive religion. In Nepal, Tibet, and China it's all about control of other people. To outsiders they show peace but within their own ranks it's spiritually abusive and oppressive. Those monks will kill you.

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Missionary wrote:

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I have always viewed it as a religion of peace.

It's a dark and repressive religion. In Nepal, Tibet, and China it's all about control of other people. To outsiders they show peace but within their own ranks it's spiritually abusive and oppressive. Those monks will kill you.

Sounds a lot like Christianity in many ways. Control, spiritual abuse, etc...
I literally almost died from the version of Christianity I was under.
I think all religions have the ability to become that way.

DeathMetalCookieMonster · Subject: Re: Buddhism And Self Murder Tue May 01, 2007 11:04 am

rageofcreation wrote:

Missionary wrote:

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I have always viewed it as a religion of peace.

It's a dark and repressive religion. In Nepal, Tibet, and China it's all about control of other people. To outsiders they show peace but within their own ranks it's spiritually abusive and oppressive. Those monks will kill you.

Sounds a lot like Christianity in many ways. Control, spiritual abuse, etc...
I literally almost died from the version of Christianity I was under.
I think all religions have the ability to become that way.

There you go. Throwing christianity under a bus again.

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Not all of Christianity and not pure Chrsitianity.

zombiewalkin · Number of posts: 1578 Age: 38 Registration date: 2007-04-09

So what is pure Christianity?

DeathMetalCookieMonster · Subject: Re: Buddhism And Self Murder Tue May 01, 2007 11:46 am

rageofcreation wrote:

Not all of Christianity and not pure Chrsitianity.

You could have just said "sounds like most/all religions". But nope, you had to single out christianity. Why?

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DeathMetalCookieMonster wrote:

You could have just said "sounds like most/all religions". But nope, you had to single out christianity. Why?

I think Norm probably did it for the same reason I do it.

Most Christians are quick to pull the trigger when the gun is aimed at other religions, but are reluctant to do likewise when the same gun is pointed at their own religion.

It brings home the point quickly.

zombiewalkin · Number of posts: 1578 Age: 38 Registration date: 2007-04-09

I can see that then. Yeah it does bring the point home quickly.

Missionary · Number of posts: 127 Registration date: 2007-04-26

well, you could say false christianity... or the religion of "christianityism". Very Happy

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RockfortheRock · Subject: Re: Buddhism And Self Murder Tue May 01, 2007 4:28 pm

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Sounds a lot like Christianity in many ways. Control, spiritual abuse, etc...
I literally almost died from the version of Christianity I was under.
I think all religions have the ability to become that way.

Totally, man, anything can get out of hand.

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rageofcreation wrote:

Missionary wrote:

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I have always viewed it as a religion of peace.

It's a dark and repressive religion. In Nepal, Tibet, and China it's all about control of other people. To outsiders they show peace but within their own ranks it's spiritually abusive and oppressive. Those monks will kill you.

Sounds a lot like Christianity in many ways. Control, spiritual abuse, etc...
I literally almost died from the version of Christianity I was under.
I think all religions have the ability to become that way.

Gee...why didn't I see this coming? Rolling Eyes

As soon as we serve an old, fat, bald-headed man whose greatest pleasure was to abstain from pleasure, get back to us, Norm. Evil or Very Mad

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rageofcreation wrote:

Not all of Christianity and not pure Chrsitianity.

Define your dichotomy, please. Because this sounds like the most off-the-wall thing I have ever heard flow from your mouth...and that's saying a lot. Rolling Eyes

STRUTTER777 · Subject: Re: Buddhism And Self Murder Tue May 01, 2007 7:12 pm

Some so-called Christians act more Anti-Christian then Christophobic atheists.

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FireStormWarning · Subject: Re: Buddhism And Self Murder Tue May 01, 2007 7:37 pm

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Some so-called Christians act more Anti-Christian then Christophobic atheists.

Yeah, and I think that's Norm's point in this case. It's one reason I prefer to say that I am a Child of God or a follower of Jesus Christ as opposed to using the actual term "Christian".

And Scott, that was kind of an unnecessary, knee-jerk reaction on your part. Norm's not attacking Christianity in general... merely those who are (As Jesus called the pharisees) white-washed tombs

I took it the same way you did, until Shred explained further.
However, Norm, I would be more careful with my wording in the future. Just a word to the wise. :)

Anyway... Could you elaborate Missionary? Have you had experiences with Buhddists? I've read about Buddism a bit, but I'm curious to hear from one's personal experience.

STRUTTER777 · Subject: Re: Buddhism And Self Murder Tue May 01, 2007 8:11 pm

However, he said it sounds like Christianity, not merely a merely a sect or corrupted group such as the Roman Church.

Therefore, the "attack" was directed at Christianity.

At least initially.

It wasn't until later that he qualified anything.

Sure, there are corrupted versions of Christianity and even counterfeit 'christianity'.

Most Christians are not Neo-Marxist Maniacs like Jim Jones.

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Missionary · Number of posts: 127 Registration date: 2007-04-26

FireStormWarning...

My experience with Buhddism is from my missions work in central and western China. I've got pic of me on my myspace site from the Tarsas temple in Qhinghai. The place dates back to the 1300's and there's a Lama child there. The monks are oppressive control freaks over each other. Parents "sell" their kids into the temple for life in hopes of receiving a blessing. These poor kids are abused beyond imagination. I've heard horror stories, man.

They worship stuffed animals and big huge buhddas carved out of butter. Like as in big as a house. The spiritual atmosphere there is dark and brooding...very unsettling. The monks keep people in a state of fear and they're very rude and downright mean to the outsider.

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