Guys read the lyrics. It about a dream.

"I should be calling collect from jail
For the things I commit each night in my head
Like last night in my sleep I got to snuff you
But then I woke up again, safe in my little bed"

"No one is safe when I close my eyes; I come to take your life
And then I wake up and it was all just a dream
And everything is the same "

Everyone has bad thoughts. You can't control your dreams. Sometimes I dream bad things. I used to confess them to God but relized that is wrong there is no way I can control them.

So funny the one time some people do bother reading lyrics it's usually to piss and moan about them....


The intellect is...astounding me.

At first I thought it was just okay, but now I love it. Not as much as the last cd though.

how about these lyrics?

A great sign appeared
Under the stars and the moon
Sounds of galloping horses
On clouds of lightning and thunder

A dark gathering storm
To scorch the earth for many generations
A nuclear winter
Worse than any cold or holy war

A white horse on the clouds of death
A red warhorse to end all wars
A pale horse and pestilence led by a
Black horse with famine and scales

The doctrine of hatred
Nation will rise against nation
Wash me in blood and let me be
The firstborn of the dead

A crowned rider with arrows and bow
A red rider with a great firey sword
Flames come from the one called death
Horror and apocalypse follows

(Ride!) Won't you four horsemen ride again
Before this kingdom is blown to kingdom come

I hold fast to what I believe
Till I see my name in stone

Blessed are the dead

A white horse on the clouds of death
A red warhorse to end all wars
A pale horse and pestilence led by a
Black horse with famine and scales

The synagogue of satan
Nation will rise against nation
Wash me in blood and let me be
The firstborn of the dead

A crowned rider with arrows and bow
A red rider with a great firey sword
Flames come from the one called death
Horror and apocalypse follows

(Ride!) Won't you four horsemen ride again
Before this kingdom is blown to kingdom come
I hold fast to what I believe
Till I see my name in stone

Blessed are the dead

I've been loving it so far ... just got it today so I haven't listened enough to make a fair judgement. But I am a huge Megadeth fan from way back (yes, I'm old), so I'm a little biased.

Anyway, you can't condemn the behavior if you don't talk about the behavior. I don't hear him advocating anything like murder and violence. But he is acknowledging that it exists, and that it's a result of moral decay in today's society. Nothing wrong or anti-Christian about making a statement like that.

I have no problem with the lyrics of this disc, my issues lie with the songwriting. I still say it sounds to me like half the time Dave has sacrificed the rhythm of a song to cram in all his anti-leftist lyrics; mostly on the verses. I like most of the sentiments presented but not at the sacrifice on the altar of melody and rhythm.

Dave's vocals have never been particularly melodic though. With the exceptions of Risk and Youthanasia, he's usually been more about singing along the riffs and letting them be the focus of the music.

True enough QM. My other issue with Megadeth has always been Dave's vocals in general. That said, I'm resigned to the fact that this will probably be the album this year that I don't like but everyone else does. That's OK, I'm used to it.

I dunno, I've been disappointed with every supposed Megadeth 'comeback' so far, so this one maaaay turn out that way for me too. I have some reservations about it, but I do want to pick it up, and the lyrics play a big part in that actually....

I can't stop listening to this disc. The music is amazing and the art is fantastic!

"Exactly. Mustaine often tells stories or describes bad stuff in order to make a point about it.

Same with scripture, when I was younger I had a real problem with books like judges. Had to realise that something being written in the bible didn't make it condoned by God."

Of course the wicked people and events in the Bible are not condoned by God, I definately agree. The negative occurances in the bible were relevant because the Bible is a history book that needs to encompass all that happens rather than be edited and become a biased telling, and also, like I said earlier, the negative material in a song, and the negative occurances in the Bible are different. There is a point, a culmination of events that leads to a conveyance of a point in regards to the negative occurances in the bible, but the bad stuff in a song, what point is Dave trying to make?

Sir Shred A Lot wrote:

Quote: The song is completely and utterly about violence and murder, and we as Christians should avoid listening to such things. Quote: I'm not condemning anyone, but trying as gently as I can to provide a message that you may need to hear. The same person made both these statements. Make up your mind. Either condemn people for doing something you are certain that *all* Christians should refrain from doing, OR... simply say that you want nothing to do with it but are not convinced that everyone MUST do likewise. Don't try to have it both ways.

I Don't think there's any contradiction in those two statements you've chosen. I was suprised to find that those who responded to my initial opinion disagreed with me. Avoiding contiguity with such blatant violent material that has no coupled moral undertone or point besides displaying the subject matter in itself, I felt, was a indisputable value that we intrinsically held as Christians. And no, I don't mean to condemn anyone, I'm merely provided a message that could help those who may not have heard it, or have forgotten.

Orion Crystal Ice wrote:

So funny the one time some people do bother reading lyrics it's usually to piss and moan about them.... The intellect is...astounding me.

This discussion began with me giving my simple opinion, which was quickly, and from the amount of dots and "emoticons" uses, seemingly arrogantly replied to with another individuals objection, of which I interjected my response and so forth. This began as me giving my simple opinion. Just me stating MY opinion about the lyrics, and expressing my confusion as to why a born again Christian would feel the need to write about such things. I was only giving forth my opinion of the album, which seemed to be the reason the thread was created. Those who felt the need to reply to me instigated an argument, which led to this.

I wrote everything with a gentle tone that may have been altered by the voice in which you chose to read it. I was merely providing a message and an answer that I had received after a lot of prayer. Music was one of the hardest things for me to change once I had become a Christian, but I prayed as well as read, after which I received a answer that I felt was God given. I feel that what a lot of you are doing is rationalizing, and yes, I understand we are all at different places in our walk with the Lord, but is it wrong of me to try and give a insightful word to help you in your walk?

I didn't seek out and argument, but merely defended my point. I hope all of you would take time to pray about this issue and await an answer.

Points:

1. I'm the person you are (most likely) talking about in the post above.

2. You use the word, "....quickly....". Dude......that is subjective. I happened to post after you. Could have been the first post after yours......could have been the fourteenth. That was how it fell. I was not remotely *trying* to disagree with you by the *assumed quickness* of my post.

3. You mention the *emoticons* used and the amount of *dots* used as well. Hey......I like them both, I use them both a lot. Here is some advice, O.K?? Stick around and get to know the poster you're commenting on before you......comment on *said* poster. Especially when it is me. You have......oh what is it.....let's count. Nine posts now!! Nine posts!! I have over a thousand just since this board moved here to Niceboards from Ezboards. At Ezboards I had well over nine-thousand posts in a bit over 2 years. Stick around man. (And i'm serious about that, i'm not trying to be a smart-a**)

4. You talk in the post above, about how your initial post was, "....seemingly arrogantly...." disagreed with by me. Um.......the key word there is *seemingly*. 'Nuff said IMO.

5. I will agree with you in the above post. In it you spoke of the, "....gentle tone...." that you had in your initial post. I won't disagree with that. I saw it there. Thank you.

6. Music was also an intensely deep and big, long (in chronology) issue for me too. I *feel your pain* (and i'm not being a smart-off there either). I was deeply involved in non-Christian music before I was saved. So I can relate to the difficulty and torment of spirit that you felt.

7. As you are around here (CMR) longer--and I hope you are--you will find that this *music game* and the Christians that play it.......come in all types. Here......I speak of what we listen to. And I emphasize, the Christians among us, there are some non-Christians here too. Some of us are very much *Christian only*. Some of us are listeners of......anything by anybody. Personally.......I could not at first, listen to a lot of stuff. 2,000+ vinyls were trashed by me in 1982, I was serious about music and my collection was a *musical dictionary* of hard/heavy/metal music. I started off after salvation--as a *Christian only* person. That lasted for 2 years. I have grown (as a Christian) and matured (as a Christian) and I feel perfectly at ease in my spirit to listen to what I do now. As long as the band/artists don't blaspheme GOD or HIS MESSIAH.......I can feel at ease listening to it. I don't care if the band/artist is *serious* in their blasphemy, or they are just doing it as an act for the *$$$$$*, either way.......I spend my $$ elsewhere. I don't care what the subject matter is, as long as that subject matter is not blasphemy.

8. Those are my *ground rules*. In the point above.....my *musical ground rules*. I have mine. You have yours. We differ.

9. One last point to directly address your last post. See point eight above?? We here......us Christian *rockers n' rollers*, us Christian *metal maniacs*, us Christian *metal dudes and metal chicks* (there are a few here), us Christian *headbangers*--whatever our gender, all of us.......all of us Christians.......we are "outcasts" and "pariahs" of a sort. We have become "musical outcasts" and so........dude, bluntly put, we are a bit *touchy* when someone comes on here with nine posts and tells us what we already know. Most of us, anyway. Point eight above. Take it to heart.

10. O.K. one more. Stick around.

I'm open to that charge. Honestly, I struggle to dump certain bands that I like, but whose lyrics aren't great. Doing the research for the post I have in the Hell's Bells thread convicted me anew about this whole issue. However, I don't know of any bands I've been discussing as favorites who have bad lyrics outside a song or two. My favorite 80's band, Dokken, is fairly clean. My favorite current, Megadeth, is fairly clean outside the first couple of albums, which I don't listen to. Other favorite bands like Silent Force, Saxon and Firewind are also clean, at least as far as I have heard on the albums I own.

If there is a band that makes me appear a hypocrite on this issue, please let me know. And do it publicly...the last thing I want is to be a hypocrite on this (or any other) issue.

Shred - thank you. You've given me some food for thought. I appreciate that. I especially appreciated the following:

Quote:

But I think where we differ is in our expectations of other Christians. I don't expect every other Christian to be in the same place as me on this issue, but it sounds like you think God's Word is clear enough for there to be no disagreement as far as which bands/albums are OK and which are not. If this is true, though, then why do some Christians claim that some of the bands you listen to are wrong or in violation of God's Word? If we look at 1 Corinthians 8, I think we can see the same type of thing. Some Christians were absolutely convinced that eating food that had been offered to pagan gods was wrong. They would never do it. Others were like, "It's no big deal." Paul says both positions are OK if done in good conscience, but it's our motive and attitude and the way we relate to other Christians that is more important than the rule we follow.

Very true, that.

I guess what I've been doing, without realizing it, is saying that where I draw the line is where everybody else should obviously draw the line. I'm entitled to my own opinion, of course, but I can see how that might come off as arrogant or otherwise not good.

Thanks again. You've given me some good things to think about.

And thank you Shredd for elaborating since my skills with communication don't reach FOJ.


I loved Def Leppard for all my high school years and I realized full well what their lyrics were about./ While I still love the sound of their music alot and might sing along if I hear it on the radio, I own NONE, ZERO of their stuff AND


*I* don't have any desire to return to it.....


It treats as no bigg deal and fun funn good time something I KNOW isn't right for me.

SOOO, WHY would it be a problem for me???