Roger Speaks PT. II

**ultmetal** · Number of posts: 3414 Registration date: 2006-12-26

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

On the other hand, nobody forced Roger to sign the papers making him sole owner of the whole VR circus...he did that on his own.

BINGO! My point exactly.

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**ultmetal** · Number of posts: 3414 Registration date: 2006-12-26

emptytomb1 wrote:

I'm wondering where the unethical part is. Roger knowingly took on what was left of VR. He was a grown man and nobody forced him or even tricked him.

Some of the money that was loaned to the band was used to buy instruments and personal items for the band members for the Once Dead tour (picks, strings, drums sticks, logos for the bass drums, etc.) As well a ton of merchandise was purchased. However, the instruments were not 'sold' or given to Roger as part of the deal when he took over the name. Thus, the ethical part comes in to play. Should they have surrendered those instruments that they purchased for that tour?

Had they done what they wanted to do, which was sell off the remaining merch, play a few more shows and record a final CD, then lay the band to rest, they could have payed off the debt, kept their instruments and none of this debacle would have happened. Unfortunately, it didn't go that way. This is what is discussed on the Once Dead DVD.

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wintersdawn · Number of posts: 137 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-04-07

I thought all this happened years ago, so how could the money have been loaned for the Once Dead tour? It must have been kept somewhere for a long-time before Once Dead existed and then used it? Or was the equipment etc. bought years ago when the money was originally loaned to VR?

TheSheepAreScattered · Number of posts: 540 Registration date: 2007-10-18

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Luke Easter · Number of posts: 129 Registration date: 2007-04-09

wintersdawn wrote:

I thought all this happened years ago, so how could the money have been loaned for the Once Dead tour? It must have been kept somewhere for a long-time before Once Dead existed and then used it? Or was the equipment etc. bought years ago when the money was originally loaned to VR?

You're joking, right? The Once Dead Tour refers to the tour for the album, Once Dead, not the subsequent band of the same name.

wintersdawn · Number of posts: 137 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-04-07

Sorry! I had a late night mixing vocals and left me pretty slow on the uptake!

TheSheepAreScattered · Number of posts: 540 Registration date: 2007-10-18

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Why can't those Swedes just learn English? Friggin' retards...

Speak English!!! It's the 21st century after all.

Detta som är kommande från någon som tillber Bevis och Butthead. Rolling Eyes

Nästa tid dricker du någon schweizisk Fröcken kakao som jag hoppas dig skåller ditt spontar! silent

Nästa tid skrattar du på kocken från den Muppet showen som jag hoppas din mage exploderar från över laughter!!

Nästa tid går du till mormödrar för svenska meatballs som jag hoppas nedgångar en i dina varv och fläckar din skjorta!!! Twisted Evil

Jag hoppas nästa tid som du lyssnar till svenska musikband lika Bathory, Dissection och din Hammerfall gå i ax melt in i din hörlurar!!!!

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And here is the translation of that, complements of InterTran translation site:

This as is unborn from any as adorer Evidence and Eyes Next term beverage yous any Swiss Fröcken cocoa as self hope yourself bowl till off the cuff! silent Next term laugh yous on cook from the Muppet showers as self hope your stomach am exploding from above laughter!! Next term am going yous to mormödrar for Swede meatballs as self hope decline a in dina laps and blemish your shirt!!! Twist Evil Self hope next term as yous am listening to Swede musikband equal Bathory Dissection and your Hammerfall walk in ax melt into your headphone!!!!

Follower of Jesus · Number of posts: 3334 Age: 36 Registration date: 2007-04-07

Um...sheep? I think Sir Shred was being just a *tad* facetious with that comment. I could be wrong, but I doubt he was really expressing a belief that Swedes are mentally challenged because they don't speak English.

Lighten up.

**exo** · Number of posts: 8671 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

Follower of Jesus wrote:

Um...sheep? I think Sir Shred was being just a *tad* facetious with that comment. I could be wrong, but I doubt he was really expressing a belief that Swedes are mentally challenged because they don't speak English.

Lighten up.

Yeah. What he said.

And learn English Laughing

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Hawk of May · Number of posts: 443 Registration date: 2007-05-30

I recall an interview I was involved in with Roger Rising himself. It was the time in between the 3rd and 4th Rising albums were released. My buddy, who owned a metal radio show on a local college station, and myself interviewed Rog.

Roger made it absolutely clear to us both that he willingly and knowingly took on the VR servicemark, future royalties and debt relating to VR as the other founding members were leaving to pursue other musical directions. He made it clear that he was VR, so to speak.

Roger was not deceived. He got screwed, not by his former bandmates, but by the contract. He simply thought he could make it work, but it didn't. Just like many other bands out there that have tried to make a go of it and couldn't make ends meet. It happens to bands under contract all the time since them olden' days. Royalties are as elusive as the rock star dream that many have.

There is no controversy. There's one bitter, drug-addicted loudmouth. God love him too, because I realize I am one step away from where he is. But for the grace of God go I.

TheSheepAreScattered · Number of posts: 540 Registration date: 2007-10-18

Um your online translator has little to be desired. You should fire her. True Swedes learn from their grandmothers anyway. Here are my retarded grandmothers translations: drunken

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Detta som är kommande från någon som tillber Bevis och Butthead. Rolling Eyes

This coming from someone who worships Bevis and Butthead.

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Nästa tid dricker du någon schweizisk Fröcken kakao som jag hoppas dig skåller ditt spontar! silent

I hope next time you enjoy some Swiss Miss Cocoa you scald
your tongue!

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Nästa tid skrattar du på kocken från den Muppet showen som jag hoppas din mage exploderar från över laughter!!

Next time you watch Chef from The Muppet Show I hope your stomach explodes from over-laughter

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Nästa tid går du till mormödrar för svenska meatballs som jag hoppas nedgångar en i dina varv och fläckar din skjorta!!!

Next time you go to grandmas I hope she serves swedish meatballs and one falls and stains your favorite Bonjovi shirt

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Jag hoppas nästa tid som du lyssnar till svenska musikband lika Bathory, Dissection och din Hammerfall gå i ax melt in i din hörlurar!!!!

Next time you listen to swedish metal bands like Bathory, Dissection and Hammerfall I hope your ears melt into your headphones.

I was trying to be funny like Shred was but perhaps the humor was lost in the dilect of my retarded fore fathers.

empyrealsymphony · Number of posts: 3488 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-07-18

Did Roger get paid royalties from the KMG re-issues?
Who owns the rights now to all those VR "imports" on Radrockers? Or are those just more RR bootlegs?

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**exo** · Number of posts: 8671 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

empyrealsymphony wrote:

Did Roger get paid royalties from the KMG re-issues?
Who owns the rights now to all those VR "imports" on Radrockers? Or are those just more RR bootlegs?

No firm info, but given the prior history of RR.......

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Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

Cliffy · Number of posts: 415 Age: 40 Registration date: 2007-10-10

GlassPrison wrote:

until the body of christ paid him the 300,000 they owe him

300,000 bucks for a soul.

That the going rate these days?

later...Cliffy

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TheSheepAreScattered · Number of posts: 540 Registration date: 2007-10-18

Cliffy--always right to the point.

The only possible law suit Rog has is a lawsuit against Coheed and Cambria's Claudio Sanchez for stealing his hair-do.

**ultmetal** · Number of posts: 3414 Registration date: 2006-12-26

empyrealsymphony wrote:

Did Roger get paid royalties from the KMG re-issues?
Who owns the rights now to all those VR "imports" on Radrockers? Or are those just more RR bootlegs?

I don't know. I DO know that when Ultimatum wrote a check to the
publishing company for "Burn" for our own pressing of Mechanics, the
money went to both Roger and Glenn Rogers. I know for a fact Glenn got
his money because he told me so. I can only imagine Roger received his
money too.

For some reason I don't think any band saw a dime from those KMG
re-releases, although I could be wrong. I just remember Steve Rowe
saying he didn't see any money from the Mortification re-releases on
KMG.

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For some reason I don't think any band saw a dime from those KMG
re-releases, although I could be wrong. I just remember Steve Rowe
saying he didn't see any money from the Mortification re-releases on
KMG.

That bums me out! When I was new to Christian metal (1998-ish), I bought a bunch of those because it's all I could track down (the internet was still budding, and it was hard to find oop stuff). Sucks that the bands didn't get paid!

bigjtink · Subject: Re: Roger Speaks PT. II Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:14 pm

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This is very out of character for the Rog to accept such an offer (he formerly said he wouldn't do any interviews with Christians until the body of christ paid him the 300,000 they owe him)

This is the answer that was given directly to me when I asked for an interview.

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However, according to many reputable people Roger is indeed owed a lot of money from former VR members. Those guys screwed him over but good.

Sorry Norm. Your way off base here. I have done the research. Thats just straight up incorrect info, not even close to reality.

I think Ult and Hawk Of May nailed it pretty much. I'll leave it at that.

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Yeah, that whole "speak English" post was a joke.

Sort of like the country of Sweden...

I'm just kidding!!! Stop!!!

I love Sweden. In fact, I spent a whole bunch of time last week defending Scandinavian countries in a thread in the political room here at the CMR.