Immortal's New Album

Unblackberzerker · Number of posts: 12 Registration date: 2009-08-09

I don't really listen to this band too much, but they have a new album called All Shall Fall. I think it's pretty good. It's amazing that they have been together this whole time and still play pretty much the same style. I don't own any of their albums, as usually the lyrics can be fairly blasphemous (demons, unholy forces of evil, etc.), but I might pick up this one. The lyrics in the album are very dark and intense, but something that I could listen to. I love their songwriting, and how they definitely have their own image and persona. They are very creative, and are legends in black metal.

**exo** · Number of posts: 8682 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

Yup, it's Immortal.

I've enjoyed the last several things this motely crew has released, Including the "I" project....

I'm more than a bit confused about how imagery and fiction (you ARE aware thta for several album now, they've told stories based in a fictional world called Blashkryh, right) can be "blapshemous", though......methinks you might want to investigate the actual meaning of the word.

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angelofdarkness · Number of posts: 557 Age: 32 Registration date: 2009-05-14

Huge Immortal fan here. I have all of the albums, including the I disc, the Old Funeral (pre-Immortal) disc and have seen them live, with Satyricon. First rate band all the way! The new disc did not dissapoint me at all. It sounds like a great combination of At The Heart of Winter (highly recommended!), and Sons of Northen Darkness, (also amazing). Listen to exo...he knows what he's talking about. The first couple of Immortal albums followed the traditional black metal lyrical framework, but never nearly as blasphemous as the likes of Gorgoroth, Marduk or Mayhem. The last few albums have been lyrically inspired by Abbath's creation of the mythical world of Blashkryh...as exo pointed out. They are far from blasphemous in their lyrical stance.

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**exo** · Number of posts: 8682 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

I've GOT to slow down when I type.....that last one of mine sort of looks like it was typed by a spastic monkey that learned to type from a mail order ESL course......

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metalheaded · Number of posts: 435 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-12-01

I want to get All Shall Fall, as well as the rest of their catalog. I currently only have Damned In Black, At The Heart Of Winter, and Sons Of Northern Darkness; as well as Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism (but that one's only in mp3 format, for now).

Great band. I really like their sound; it's definitely unique and stands out as original. And I also really enjoy how their albums have excellent mixing and mastering and aren't all 'shrill' sounding, with no low end or fullness to them. They do it correctly!

To bands who like their stuff mixed thin and shrill, I say "Where's the beef??"

Laughing

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Unblackberzerker · Number of posts: 12 Registration date: 2009-08-09

angelofdarkness wrote:

The first couple of Immortal albums followed the traditional black metal lyrical framework, but never nearly as blasphemous as the likes of Gorgoroth, Marduk or Mayhem. The last few albums have been lyrically inspired by Abbath's creation of the mythical world of Blashkryh...as exo pointed out. They are far from blasphemous in their lyrical stance.

True, they aren't as blasphemous as bands like Gorgoroth, Mayhem, etc., but you do have to say that they are at least sympathetic to the demonic world. I'm not an expert on this band, but I wouldn't say that the band Immortal stands for spreading the message of Satan as Gorgoroth, but I think that their overall message is that of winter and Blashkryh (I did do a little research, but does anyone know how to pronounce?).
I take what I listen to pretty seriously, and I would only buy CDs that I can connect to. I think that, yes, while Satanism is quite a common theme in black metal, there are bands like Immortal and Burzum that I think stand for something else/more. However, Burzum and Immortal are as far as I want to go with listening to non-Christian bands.

**exo** · Number of posts: 8682 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

There really isn't any such thing as "aren't as blasphemous". It's pretty much an is/is not sort of deal.

Writing and telling of fictional tales really doesn't have a whole lot of ANYTHING to do with being blapshemous. And I would never equate tales set in a fictional world as being "sympathetic to the demonic world", either.

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Unblackberzerker · Number of posts: 12 Registration date: 2009-08-09

exo wrote:

There really isn't any such thing as "aren't as blasphemous". It's pretty much an is/is not sort of deal.

Writing and telling of fictional tales really doesn't have a whole lot of ANYTHING to do with being blapshemous. And I would never equate tales set in a fictional world as being "sympathetic to the demonic world", either.

Unholy Forces of Evil

Slowly crossing as red rivers runs below
Forever passing where the darkness lies unknown
Where soulwinds burns my eyes
Where shadows of lost life hides

Enter the centers of darkness
Where all evil dwells
Demons present in flames
Oath of black souls found

Sacrifices as old as the earth
We cut the living flesh
Circles of the deepest black throned
A promise of the darkest blood found

Unholy forces of evil
Unholy forces of hell

An mayhemic silence floats
We await our signs of death our circle gathered
Ceremonial powers belong to us
A goat baptized in fire
We dance the circle dance on thorns

Awaiting the sign of the horns
A thousand black clouds storms
Blasphemous Northern rites
Mysticism touched
Pentagrams burning

Into the centers of darkness
Where all evil dwells
Demons present in flames
Oath of black souls found

The unholy forces of evil
Served upon our diabolical souls
Cults of death bathed in slaught
As the devils candles burns

Into the dark skies
Floating with the soulwinds of the pentagram
To the deathlights where the North star awaits

You don't think this is blasphemous?

**exo** · Number of posts: 8682 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

no, I think it's FICTION. Set in a FICTIONAL world, from the viewpoint of the FICTIONAL "bad guys", and not a real world declaration of intent. So yeah, I don't find it to involve the slightest bit of blasphemy, any more than I find Cannibal Corpse's "Evisceration Plague" a declaration of intent to commit genetic warfare.......

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Unblackberzerker · Number of posts: 12 Registration date: 2009-08-09

Yeah, well again, there are bands like Gorgoroth whose message is unquestionably that of blasphemy (spreading the message of Satan). However, Immortal does have songs that glorify demons. There are only a few songs like this, and mostly in past albums, but still, they glorify the demonic world. Maybe blasphemous isn't the word to describe it, but glorification definitely is.

Unblackberzerker · Number of posts: 12 Registration date: 2009-08-09

Another thing, in many songs it isn't like they are saying "Satan is my god", but just using words like evil and demonic to describe something. I don't mind this, because, as you said, they are just describing a fictional world/winter, and using it in more of a conceptual idea (not promoting Satanism, at least in the lyrics). In the song "Unholy..." it is definitely a worship of evil, though, in my opinion.

So, basically what I am saying is that it isn't just talking about demons, but it is the promoting/glorifying that I do not like.

**exo** · Number of posts: 8682 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

And again....IT'S NOT REAL....IT'S FICTION! FICITONAL CHARACATERS and FICTIONAL SUPERNATURAL BEINGS.

They aren't "worshipping evil", or "glorifying demons"....they're telling a story. the band themselves have explained the FICTIONAL WORLD thing repeatedly, so why are you trying to stretch their fiction into the realm of "real world"? this is nothing more than a FANTASY NOVEL set to music. you just aren't getting 550 pages of story exposition........

you sure are fighting AWFUL hard to find a way for a band you like to have an "air of evil" about it.....it's kind of .....odd......honestly.

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DrawnsworD · Number of posts: 54 Age: 40 Registration date: 2009-07-24

heres an interview with Abbath about Immortal http://www.maelstrom.nu/ezine/interview_iss8_77.php

Unblackberzerker · Number of posts: 12 Registration date: 2009-08-09

exo wrote:

And again....IT'S NOT REAL....IT'S FICTION! FICITONAL CHARACATERS and FICTIONAL SUPERNATURAL BEINGS.

They aren't "worshipping evil", or "glorifying demons"....they're telling a story. the band themselves have explained the FICTIONAL WORLD thing repeatedly, so why are you trying to stretch their fiction into the realm of "real world"? this is nothing more than a FANTASY NOVEL set to music. you just aren't getting 550 pages of story exposition........

you sure are fighting AWFUL hard to find a way for a band you like to have an "air of evil" about it.....it's kind of .....odd......honestly.

Ok, ok, ok...I see what you are saying. You have to understand, though, that overall, I think Immortal is about winter and Blashyrkh (again, I'm no expert), and their meaning is not to blaspheme God. However, I am going to say that Satan's kingdom exists, and some of Immortal's songs glorify this. Whether they mean it in a literal sense or not, I still would not want to own their albums that have songs like this, because, as a Christian, I take God and Satan seriously, and I know that there is nothing fictional about it.

I don't mean to fight about this, but that is howI feel.

**exo** · Number of posts: 8682 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

Can you PLEASE explain to me how something fictional, meant as nothing more than fantasy "glorifies" something it is not about? I MIGHT comprehend it if this was fiction based on Earth, or founded in human culture or whatnot...but this? this is COMPLETE fantasy, with no connection to earth or "real" humanity whatsoever...I REALLY don't understand this mindset.

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Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

DrawnsworD · Number of posts: 54 Age: 40 Registration date: 2009-07-24

exo wrote:

they've told stories based in a fictional world called Blashkryh, right) can be "blapshemous",

Do you know any online interviews or articles where Abbath or Demonaz talk about the lyrics and the fictional world of Blashkryh?

Abbath: That's a part of the split personality thing. Immortal
comes from the inner demons of ourselves. The war paint, the demon war
paint, it's like a presentation of that. We are presenting ourselves as
figures from the world we are writing about. As demons and warriors, guardians
of the borders of chaos.

Unblackberzerker · Number of posts: 12 Registration date: 2009-08-09

I thought this was an interesting interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJR00LK8Sek&feature=related

DrawnsworD · Number of posts: 54 Age: 40 Registration date: 2009-07-24

Unblackberzerker wrote:

So, basically what I am saying is that it isn't just talking about demons, but it is the promoting/glorifying that I do not like.

likewise.
I would'nt be surprised if Demonaz has a personal meaning behind the tales, yet it'd be impossible to interperate considering there ideology is vague, although not intended to be negative.
Slechtvalk's fantasy world is quite clear with the underlying spiritual meanings .

Unblackberzerker · Number of posts: 12 Registration date: 2009-08-09

Yeah, you're right. I know that they do not mean to have negative message, but you wonder what their own views are on Satan and God.

Kind of off topic, but I really liked this music video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VBdAY8eA9w

**exo** · Number of posts: 8682 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

Quote:

Abbath: That's a part of the split personality thing. Immortal
comes from the inner demons of ourselves. The war paint, the demon war
paint, it's like a presentation of that. We are presenting ourselves as
figures from the world we are writing about. As demons and warriors, guardians
of the borders of chaos.

that's some fairly vague statements....an attempt to explain something that doesn't fully do the job. He's got some difficulty forumlating and describing his thoughts for people to begin with, and you can tell by the rest of the interview that the process of converting his thoughts into the English language just exacerbates things. You're not going to find an interview anywhere that's got a whole heck of a lot more detail, it's just not how Abbath's thought process works.....And Demonaz, he may write the lyrics, but I can't recall him being overly involved in the Immortal press machine, he prefers not to draw attention to himself.

I think that, perhaps, too much is being read into the comment about "the demons within ourselves", as that's a vague statement as well. LOT'S of folks make statements about "inner demons" in terms of things and concepts they struggle with. It's kind of obvious that, given the lack of clarity in description,
there's not any real sort of agenda being put forth......it's fantasy
stories, they might me about the heroes, they might be about the
villains....but fantasy stories nonetheless. and don't ALL stories start "from within" at some point?

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Dwarven gravitational theory states that enough ale will make anything fall down.

Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"