AN ARTICLE WHAT ABOUT P.O.D.'s OCCULT SYMBOLS? WAS POSTED IN THE INTERNET ALLEGEDLY BY A CERTAIN Dr. Terry Watkins, Th.D. IN RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS ABOUT "mysterious symbol P.O.D. displays on their albums, shirts and web site"

HERE IS THE LINK: http://www.av1611.org/crock/pod_sym.html

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS ISSUE?

That Terry Watkins guy is a crackpot. Don't trust anything he says. Seriously.

I know little about the alleged controversy with P.O.D., but I know Watkins is whacko.

Things like this always tick me off. What does this guy know, seriously? Has he ever even HEARD POD, or does he just know they are famous and Christian so he has to poke holes in their popularity?



Arttie

It's bs courtesy of an overzealous KJV Onlyist. (AV1611.org is a KJV Onlyist site) There are other sites like this one gloating over Doug Pinnick's homosexuality, Roger Martinez's apostasy, and other tragedies within Christian music of all genres. I highly doubt the guy really has a doctorate in theology (Th.D.), given that they tend to be very suspicious of higher education, Christian or secular. A significant number of them are part of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (Bible) Church, a group of Churches that teaches that the 1611 KJV is the only 'inspired' Bible translation. Some will say all other translations are 'Satanic' or 'new age.' Others will be less dogmatic and say that God has indeed saved those believers outside of their circle, but they simply don't have access to the 'true' Word of God. They twist various Bible passages to support their view. Their conspiracy theories about modern Bible translations have been thoroughly refuted, yet they still adhere to them, amazingly enough. There are several sites online created by ex-KJV Onlyists insisting that they are a cult. I tend to agree, since claiming that one segment of the Church has the Word of God while the others do not is nothing less than a new spin on gnosticism. There are plenty of videos made by KJV-Onlyists and ex-KJV Onlyists posted on YouTube. I would encourage you to do a search and watch a few to get a better understanding of who you're dealing with. They've given me countless hours of good laughs and enabled 'Operation: Golden Flow' to go off without a hitch. They pretty much believe that they're the only true Christians and everybody else is lost. I guess digging up dirt on others, whether true or false, helps them to authenticate their beliefs. I find it humorous that KJV Onlyists will villify POD and gloat over the moral failures of others, yet they are historically entrenched in Freemasonry, which is religious syncretism at its finest. They could find a conspiracy at one of their own Church picnics, to be quite honest. Take the comments about POD's symbols with a grain of salt. Even IF the allegations are true, I doubt that Sonny & co. meant any real harm by using them. The KJV Onlyists' biggest problem is their insistence that people do things deliberately out of a conscious desire to deceive others. They leave little room for the possibility that someone could do something wrong by mistake or simply out of sheer ignorance. They dispense very little grace towards Christians who fall into sin. I post on another board that has to deal with KJV Onlyists almost daily thanks to a sympathetic moderator. I've encountered some who openly advocate the federal execution of homosexuals. To be honest, it's extremely difficult to detect even a trace of love in some of them, let alone a desire to share the Gospel with the lost, especially homosexuals. They definitely have a 'Hooray for us, to hell with everybody else' (literally, in some cases) attitude. Calling much of what they do 'well-intentioned' does a disservice to the phrase itself, in my opinion, since they tend to be very divisive. I'm not saying they're lost, God is their judge, but the final judgment for them should prove to be very interesting, to say the least.

Scourge...the things you know stagger me sometimes. Seriously. Thanks.



Arttie

From what I have read previously on this topic I would say true. Although I doubt it was intentional on the part of P.O.D.

I find this hilarious because I claim to be a KJV-onlyist but for completely different reasons that what scourge stated above. P.O.D. are long friends of mine and always will be. I don't claim freemasonry. In fact I try to stand up against this junk. It's everywhere in our society now. I don't believe that if you don't follow KJV that you lost. The one thing I have discovered while doing the KJV study verses others is that a lot of the other verses are very different from what I am seeing. Things are left out entirely. I will have to get some specifics so I don't come across as a conspriacy theorists. I will be going to seminary here soon to learn Hebrew, Latin, Greek, and Aramic (spelling may be wrong). By the way I don't support av1611, the site listed above. I think it's horrible what they do in the name of the Lord.

GodSpeed
RBV

Back to the symbols thing...I am not a big POD fan so I don't know what symbols they are talking about but symbols have different meanings to different people. For example, if you see a swastika what do you think of? Nazis, racism, hate? Well, that is because that symbol was adopted by that group and now it's known for those things. The Celtic people have a similar symbol in their culture except the symbol is more curved than at hard angles. It is a symbol of strength which is most likely why the Nazis adopted it. I think the American indians have a similar symbol in their culture. Not sure what it means but I don't think it is a Nazi thing.

My ancestors were Irish but if I displayed that symbol I would be criticised for it.

As far as comparing the KJV to most modern
English translations, you have to ask whether the modern versions are
leaving things out, OR whether the KJV added things. The latter is most
often the case. I'd be happy to talk about it in a new thread.

Assuming
that you'll be going to an accredited seminary, I would be shocked if
you find them teaching you KJV-Onlyism. I'm familiar with many
different seminaries, and I don't know any that promote it.

I guess this is where I am struggling--I have many respected pastors,evangelists, ministry men and women that I know and read regularly. They have this view. I guess to boil it down how can that many people be wrong. Seems a little weird, but on the other side of the coin you may say well there are a select few that believe only in KJV--how can the majority be wrong. Not sure. I guess when I get more into learning Hebrew, Greek, Latin, and other languages I will be able to make a more definitive and researched answer. I am definitely open to hearing both sides of the arguments. Yes I am going to an accredited seminary/bible college.

Sure could use some pray in this area I guess.

GodSpeed
RBV

the POD symbol b.s. reminds me of Bob Larson b.s.

Here is a little info on there main symbol.

Triquetra (IPA: [tɹaɪ'kwεtɹə]) is a word derived from the Latin tri- ("three") and quetrus ("cornered"). Its original meaning was simply "triangle" and it has been used to refer to various three-cornered shapes. Nowadays, it has come to refer exclusively to a certain more complicated shape formed of three vesicae piscis, sometimes with an added circle in or around it. This widely recognized symbol has been used in for the past two centuries a sign of special things and persons that are threefold

The symbol was later used by Christians as a symbol of the Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). This appropriation was particularly easy because the triquetra conveniently incorporated three shapes that could be interpreted as Christian Ιχθυς symbols.
A common representation of the symbol is with a circle that goes through the three interconnected loops of the Triquetra. The circle emphasizes the unity of the whole combination of the three elements.



This is probably what the band intended for the symbol.

...from what I've read from that article, the opening argument claimed that using symbols like this was tantamount to worshiping graven images, which it is not. If anything, that kind of symbol can be used to teach about God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I doubt the band and the fans are worshiping the symbol, as what the context of the Scriptures used were getting at...IMO, anyway...keep in mind I'm not a scholar (much respect to you, Redbeardedviking, for continuing your education, there), but I do study the Bible and such like this on my own time...take that as you will...

...as far as the KJV-Only thing, there needs to be a balance, and far too often the Devil likes to use things like this to plant seeds of division within the Body of Christ like that...I agree whole-heartedly on Dial-The-Truth's stance that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Way, Truth, Life and way to Father GOD...on other issues, though, to say I disagree with their theologies would be like saying Mozart tinkered around on the piano...

...try this site: apologeticsindex.org they have a great database of articles, and one dedicated to the Bible translations and the KJVO controversies...and that's all I have to say about that, as I'd like to keep peace with my breathren and sisteren...

I hope the triquetra isn't satanic as i've got one tatooed on my heathen body.

Celtic Trinity..

Became a symbol to the Celts of their convertion to Christianity and than became a symbol of the Holy Trinity along with the the Celtic Cross representing the road from Druid Paganism to Christinity.

Don't forget to write this guy and give him some love!!
terry@av1611.org

No offense, but this guy's a Jack Ass! These guys spend their whole lives debating stuff like this... I am a KJV guy, but by prefference. I love the Ye Old English.. Not by constraint. I also refference many other translations..

Guys like this will waiste their days on crusades like this until the day they die, but one day they will have to look back at thier lives and they will realize how many better things that they could have done for the Kingdom Of God while on Earth!

I knew Sonny, Ty, Wuv & Marcos pretty closely back in the day and I have watched their walk through all the success. I garuntee that in the throne room of God in New Jerusalem, that the Payable On Death crue will be laying down TRUCK LOADS of crowns at the Lords feet and in that day this Terry "Blow hard" guy will owe them an BIG appology..