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StrypedForever
Joined : 06 Mar 2007
Posts : 224
|  Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!!  Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:24 pm | |
| You need to remember that a lot of the projects that you have Robert listed on were projects that he had worked on years earlier and that was just the year the finely got released.
I would like to know what happened to him working with BLISSED he was a major member when they changed their name from Static to Blissed. I remember right, they were in the middle of recording their second album CORROSIVE and had posted all kinds of info and samples with Robert on the drums then all the sudden no updates and all info on the new album was removed. Then months later they post some new info about the new album and it doesn't say anything about Robert any more. Not till after the album is released do they come out and say that all the drum parts have been re-recorded and that Robert is no longer on the project, or apart of Blissed.
If I remember right this all happened after the Reborn album and tour so I don't think that it was a conflict.
So someone want explain this? (screen shot from back then)
95% done!?
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Temple of Blood
Age : 33
Joined : 09 Apr 2007
Posts : 606
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:34 pm | |
| Maybe it just didn't work out, for any number of reasons.
Isn't that sufficient?
If, as one crazy example, he had a drinking problem during that time, are you REALLY entitled to know all about it?
"Concern" can sometimes cross over into "gossip".
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ChosenOne
Joined : 27 Aug 2007
Posts : 175
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:28 pm | |
| That post by OZ was awsome. Hopefully now people will lay off a little bit when blasting the band for their decision to leave Robert off the album. Also this is coming from OZ and not Michael, so obviously it has struck a nerve with the other members. Not taking anything away from Robert as he is a great drummer, but it's still Stryper.
Also has it has been pointed out, Robert started the band. That part is true but here's my question. When Michael left, why not just find another singer and go on?. I know they asked everyones favorite lyricst/singer Dale Thompson and he turned them down. You can't tell me that Robert,Oz & Tim couldn't have found a replacement thou. It's STRYPER. Goes to show, they needed Michael to front/lead that band under Gods guidence otherwise they would've continued |
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6stringgrind
Joined : 10 Jan 2008
Posts : 34
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:22 pm | |
| While I agree that moving forward without Robert may have been justified (we don't know the details), I have to disagree with anyone who says the new album is "still Stryper". It just isn't. As I said before, I'll still buy it, probably still enjoy it, but in my opinion, it is absolutely NOT a Stryper record.
The funny thing is, I'd be more willing to accept it if Rob had been fired. But he wasn't. He's still there. That's the part I find so ridiculous and frustrating about it. Why not just hold off, get it sorted out, and THEN record the drum tracks? I just don't get it. The whole thing seems silly to me.
It's not my intention to "gossip" or slander the band. I have done neither, despite the opinions of some fellow posters. Everything I say, I say as a fan of the band. As a fan, it's a frustrating situation. I honestly don't see how anyone who IS a fan could not feel the same way. I'm not boycotting the album or saying they're bad guys, I just don't like the way it played out. |
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ChosenOne
Joined : 27 Aug 2007
Posts : 175
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:40 pm | |
| Was WhiteCross still not WhiteCross when Rex Carroll left the band. Granted the music changed drastically but it still felt like WhiteCross to me.
Remember that Michael wrote about 90% if not all of the lyrics on Stryper albums. So does that mean it has always been Michael Sweet plus the guys in Stryper. No.
How about Bloodgood. Did people think that they werent the same after David Zaffiro left the band. I'm not familar with their history as much so I don't know if he was an original member.
As stated, Robert is still in the band so it's not like he was fired or left. |
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Joe C
Age : 43
Joined : 27 Jan 2008
Posts : 17
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:53 pm | |
| Well my friend, Michael equally needs STRYPER.
Neither Benson or Restless record label was willing to resign him.
In my opinion, Big 3 would of never signed him to a solo project either.
Regarding Robert Sweet not taking part in their new album.
Their very own song says it all!!
"All for one and one for all
Isn't that the way that it should be
Will we ever save this world?
United we will stand up tall
United we will never fall
If it's all for one and one for all"
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StrypedForever
Joined : 06 Mar 2007
Posts : 224
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:15 pm | |
| We went 10+ years without any music. Would you rather have new music coming out or not?
I for one wan't new music so I honestly could careless about all the dumb details...
Good god, call it Michael Sweet, Stryper or heck "the artis formaly know as Stryper" I don't care just keep making music and PLEASE just sell me the CD already! 
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ChosenOne
Joined : 27 Aug 2007
Posts : 175
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:20 pm | |
| Benson records went under and Restless was an independent label that I don't know if they are still around. Michael was pretty successful as a solo artist and was able to pull it off w/out the other guys in the band. He was way more successful as a solo artist then the others were in their follow ups.
I've said my .02c worth and agree with StypedForever, bring on the new album and long live Stryper. |
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6stringgrind
Joined : 10 Jan 2008
Posts : 34
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:41 pm | |
| | StrypedForever wrote: | | We went 10+ years without any music. Would you rather have new music coming out or not? |
Exactly my point. Would waiting another month to sort things out have killed them? |
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CrissOliva'sMagicGuitar
Mentally Yours
Age : 36
Joined : 06 Apr 2007
Posts : 761
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:18 pm | |
| You people are all insane.
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Adamnit
Joined : 15 Sep 2007
Posts : 21
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:24 am | |
| | Quote: | While I agree that moving forward without Robert
may have been justified (we don't know the details), I have to disagree
with anyone who says the new album is "still Stryper" |
Would you also say that To Hell With The Devil and In God We Trust are not Stryper albums because Tim Gaines did not play bass on them?
| Quote: | | Why not just hold off, get it sorted out, and THEN record the drum tracks? |
Michael had mentioned (paraphrased) that it was too late to cancel from the studio (you can't just cancel booked studio time without some kind of financial penalty) and that the whole band agreed that it was best to just go ahead and get Kenny Arnoff to lay down the tracks.
I think that was the gist of it. It was posted by Michael on Luke's (strypedforever) site (until Oz requested it be taken down) so he can correct me if I am wrong.
You gotta remember that Stryper is not the huge record selling machine they once were. They can't afford to throw money around probably anymore than you or I. Also remember Michael has a wife going through chemotherapy which equals a lot of $$$. |
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no-YOU!
brother of the Son
Age : 36
Joined : 06 Apr 2007
Posts : 571
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:43 am | |
| | ChosenOne wrote: | Was WhiteCross still not WhiteCross when Rex Carroll left the band. Granted the music changed drastically but it still felt like WhiteCross to me.
How about Bloodgood. Did people think that they werent the same after David Zaffiro left the band. I'm not familar with their history as much so I don't know if he was an original member.
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IMO, no, Whitecross was not Whitecross without Rex and Bloodgood certainly wasn't Bloodgood without David! That's just my opinion, but to me, both bands received a musical vasectomy when they lost their guitarist. While "Out Of The Darkness" is still a pretty good album, it just doesn't have the same vibe as the first three and has some definite filler. As far as Whitecroos, I couldn't get into anything they did after they lost Rex.
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no-YOU!
brother of the Son
Age : 36
Joined : 06 Apr 2007
Posts : 571
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:47 am | |
| I LOVE Stryper! I LOVE ALL the guys in Stryper! I probably love them too much which is the reason why I feel hurt that Robert isn't on the album. I know that makes me sound pathetic, but it's the truth.
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HoustonMetalhed777
Joined : 09 Oct 2007
Posts : 251
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:34 am | |
| | STRYPER is now officially the Area 51 of Christian Music. Come on guys Robert on the CD Robert not on the CD. At this point whining and crying and throwing a hissy fit does not change that he will not be on the CD.....I dare any of you that have been dissin the band because Rob won't be on the CD to put your Money where your mouth is and show your support for Rob. Don't buy the CD, Don't listen to your buddies copy, don't stream it of the website or myspace, don't read a review, don't read a CMR thread about it when it shelves, don't look at the cover, don't so much as breath a word of Muder by Pride. I bet none of you will. Come on guys show your support for Rob DON'T BUY STRYPER!!! Anyone willing to jump on that bandwagon....doubt it. As Jesus said take the speck out of your own eye b4 you try taking the log out of your brothers. Let's just be thankful that there will be a new album followed by a tour that we can see our Brother Rob and the Guys rock our faces off. They are reular human beings just like any of us. Just because they were painted up as angels on THWTD doesn't mean they are. I for one am tired of hearing all the speculation support them or don't and be done with it. |
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Pelata
Age : 36
Joined : 14 Jan 2007
Posts : 3077
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:01 am | |
| | Quote: | it is absolutely NOT a Stryper record.
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And yet, it is. 
The guys in STRYPER have basically always been Michael's backing band anyway. He writes 90%+ of the songs, he plays the lion's share of the guitar solos, & I would bet money that any other contributors have to have his OK before thier stuff becomes STRYPER material. Robert may have started the band, but Michael PWNS it.
One can argue that the other respective players help create the STRYPER "vibe" (Robert's drum sound more specifically) and I'd be inclined to agree. I was listening to Can't Stop The Rock on the way to the studio on Sunday and my guitarist and I commented on how Robert has a signature sound. But, strictly politically speaking, when it comes to the songwriting direction, STRYPER appears to have always been Michael's band.
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alldatndensum
Mission Of One
Age : 38
Joined : 03 Jan 2007
Posts : 4382
| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:56 am | |
| | Quote: | I for one wan't new music so I honestly could careless about all the dumb details...
Good god, call it Michael Sweet, Stryper or heck "the artis formaly know as Stryper" I don't care just keep making music and PLEASE just sell me the CD already! |
That pretty much sums it up for me right there!
| Quote: | Was WhiteCross still not WhiteCross when Rex Carroll left the band. Granted the music changed drastically but it still felt like WhiteCross to me.
How about Bloodgood. Did people think that they werent the same after David Zaffiro left the band. I'm not familar with their history as much so I don't know if he was an original member.
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While the sounds changed for both Whitecross and Bloodgood, they were still the same. The heart and soul behind Whitecross was Scott Wenzel. Sure, Rex gave them their signature sound, but it was Scott who added the lyrics and steered the band in it's ministry. So, when they got Barry Graul and later Quinton Gibson as guitarists, the music changed--but the heart of the ministry was still beating the same rhythm. That's why so many of us do love the post-Rex era.
With Bloodgood, losing Zaffiro did cause the sound to change. But, there again, the heart & soul behind the band was Michael Bloodgood. He did a lot of the writing and steering of the band's ministry. When they hired Paul Jackson, they wanted someone who could play all of David's licks but add his own style to the new material. The heart of the ministry did not change.
On a different note, I think a lot of you would be surprised at how many times that bands you loved had studio musicians playing on the record. Many bands when they are first signed are not studio ready. The producer will bring in seasoned pros, have them record the music, and then bring in the vocalist to do his/her thing. A few overdubs with the rest of the band are done so they can have some ownership of the studio part. It is so commonplace that most of the time that studio musicians aren't even listed on the album credits.
In country music, most bands never record in the studio. There is a list of people that the big studios will call to do an album. You think Garth Brooks' band recorded with him? Nope. You think Alabama got to record their first couple of albums? Nope. They used studio musicians and then came in and added their vocals. It's how the music business works. It helps expedite recording by getting all the parts right on the first couple of takes. That lowers the cost for the labels and helps them make a profit faster. Oh, record companies making a buck is bad, isn't it?
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Pelata
Age : 36
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| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:11 am | |
| | Quote: | | They used studio musicians and then came in and added their vocals. It's how the music business works. |
Happens all the time, in all facets of popular music... |
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Temple of Blood
Age : 33
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Pelata
Age : 36
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| | Subject: Re: Just heard new Stryper!! Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:45 am | |
| | Temple of Blood wrote: | | But usually almost never happens in metal, to be fair. |
Almost never...but not never. Also, STRYPER fits into the "popular music" category. It's my understanding that Tim Gaines did not play on THWTD, IGWT or ATL...yet no session bassist (aside from Randy Jackson on 'Shining Star') is listed...unless Mike or Oz played the bass... |
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Temple of Blood
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