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scottmitchell74
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|  Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son  Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:47 pm | |
| | Quote: | | I think ETG is a classic thrash album too |
ES - Playing those albums for Death Metal fans would make them laugh as those albums aren't anywhere near Death Metal.
Arguably (it has and will be argued) Morty's only three Death(y) albums were the first three.
I like it all but Silver Chord.
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GODSWIZARD
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Thu May 01, 2008 1:31 am | |
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1. Candlemass said about the post by Norm:
| Quote: | empyrealsymphony wrote:
No offense because I do love Steve Rowe as a person but... Mortification as a band is a total joke. They gave Christian metal a very bad name in the late 90's and they continue to do so.
This post is a total joke! |
I agree. A "total joke"?? 
We differ.
The rest of the post beyond the "total joke" statement??
We differ.
2. Norm said:
| Quote: | | Try playing some late 90's mortification (Triumph Of Mercy, Hammer of God, Silver Chord, etc..) to secular death metal fans. |
Er.......dude......none of it is death metal.  None of it, what you named.
3. I could give a rat's a** what "secular death metal fans" think about.....oh......pretty much anything. Least of all music. 
4. OCI said:
| Quote: | Technically, all that needs to be done to give Christian metal a bad name among the knuckle-dragging neo-Nietzche metal crowd is that it be Christian metal, heh. So regardless of whether the later Mort stuff is that great (I don't think it is), who cares what people think? They'll complain about anything. Even if the review is technically a good one, they'll still make some pathetic sounding whining about the Christian lyrical themes and warning all the big strong metal fans that they may not be able to handle listening to the record. Christian reviews sometimes do little warning things about some secular albums, but in contrast, what's so horrible about Christ? Yep..
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Fantastic post.  All of it.
For a lot of non--Christian metalheads the only thing that has to be done to instantly demote and denigrate the music is tell them that it is Christian. 
5. I want to emphasize this because OCI said:
| Quote: | | Even if the review is technically a good one, they'll still make some pathetic sounding whining about the Christian lyrical themes and warning all the big strong metal fans that they may not be able to handle listening to the record. |
And I did 
A word comes to mind to describe the non--Christian metalhead with such tendencies. 
Now what is it....... 
Gorfnarkle?? No.
Ditznagel?? No.
Pathetic?? Yeah.....that's it. Pathetic.
I'll even broaden out my phrase above about the "rat's hindquarters" and "secular death metal fans".
When it comes to what "secular metal fans" think about Christian hard rock/heavy music/metal.......those aforementioned "secular metal fans" can take their opinions about music and stick it way far up that "rat's hindquarters". I don't need their validation or even liking of the Christian hard rock/heavy music/metal band's lyrical content.
6. I love all the MORTIFICATION  albums before and after Silver Cord. That one, out of all the rest, is not a frequent spinner, but it is still a keeper IMO.
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ramreb
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Thu May 01, 2008 1:41 am | |
| | NO way is Mort a Joke!.........They play Extreme Metal whether it's death, thrash or whatever and they are true Metal! |
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Kuba
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Thu May 01, 2008 1:55 am | |
| | ramreb wrote: | | NO way is Mort a Joke! |
DITTO
When Steve got sick after Envision Evangeline we were afraid that was it for Mort. But he not only came back but they have consistently been able to come out with Stellar tunes over the years. What a miracle!
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zombiewalkin
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Thu May 01, 2008 7:24 am | |
| | Quote: | | Arguably (it has and will be argued) Morty's only three Death(y) albums were the first three. |
I would agree with that statement. The rest is just good ole metal with thrash elements.
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emptytomb1
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Thu May 01, 2008 10:02 am | |
| | The interesting thing too, as for Norm's assertion they were a joke, even through their weakest albums I would read reviews that did not totally pan the band. I think with his sickness some of the albums lacked some of the focus of their top stuff but they were never a joke. I think his in your face lyrics made some hate him, I know the crowd at Stigs old board slagged them a lot but that seems to be typical of that kind of crowd for most blatant christian bands. ie Saint. |
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Orion Crystal Ice
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Thu May 01, 2008 11:33 am | |
| It's so funny how most of the same people like that are the 'I don't care about/never read the lyrics' people otherwise..
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candlemass
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Thu May 01, 2008 5:56 pm | |
| | Orion Crystal Ice wrote: | | It's so funny how most of the same people like that are the 'I don't care about/never read the lyrics' people otherwise.. |
It's also funny how when their favorite song comes on you can hear them singing all the lyrics they "don't know!"  |
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zombiewalkin
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Fri May 02, 2008 5:33 am | |
| | candlemass wrote: | | Orion Crystal Ice wrote: | | It's so funny how most of the same people like that are the 'I don't care about/never read the lyrics' people otherwise.. |
It's also funny how when their favorite song comes on you can hear them singing all the lyrics they "don't know!" |
Yeeeeeeeeeeeep!
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emptytomb1
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Fri May 02, 2008 10:18 am | |
| | True, I get tired of Candlemass bellowing, The One That I Love, all the time. |
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Kuba
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Fri May 02, 2008 5:04 pm | |
| As much as I LOVE Mort and as much as I think that in their PRIME they could cut the mustard "LIVE" with ANYONE (Christian or Secular), I would say that since Steve's health issues and just after getting older, the edge for "live" energy on stage would be with The Showdown. But only in the context of NOW. Just like you can say that Manny Rameirez is a better hitter than Sammy Sosa RIGHT NOW. But since their primes do not coinside you have to match up what they did in their prime. Thus in this "DREAM CONCERT" senario MORT is the head liner hands down. But truthfully, if these band were on the road together, The Showdown would probably headline.
But I cannot stress this enough. This "DREAM CONCERT" was not devised to be a BATTLE OF BANDS, but an alliance of Christ Metal Warriors to glorify Jesus Christ, Amen?
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candlemass
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Fri May 02, 2008 5:25 pm | |
| | emptytomb1 wrote: | | True, I get tired of Candlemass bellowing, The One That I Love, all the time. |
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emptytomb1
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Sat May 03, 2008 10:49 am | |
| | Sure, act like you arent' trying to put together an Air Supply covers band. |
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Kuba
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Sat May 03, 2008 5:55 pm | |
| | emptytomb1 wrote: | | Sure, act like you arent' trying to put together an Air Supply covers band. |
Sorry mark, that was a good one bro!!! he he
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candlemass
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Sat May 03, 2008 6:00 pm | |
| | Kuba wrote: | | emptytomb1 wrote: | | Sure, act like you arent' trying to put together an Air Supply covers band. |
Sorry mark, that was a good one bro!!! he he
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emptytomb1
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Sat May 03, 2008 6:29 pm | |
| | Ok. I'll just be one creep at a time. Gotta go with my strengths. |
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Kuba
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Sun May 04, 2008 10:19 pm | |
| | candlemass wrote: | | Kuba wrote: | | emptytomb1 wrote: | | Sure, act like you arent' trying to put together an Air Supply covers band. |
Sorry mark, that was a good one bro!!! he he
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Don't be a bunch of creeps! |
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Kuba
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Sun May 04, 2008 10:54 pm | |
| | empyrealsymphony wrote: | | The lyrics go far beyond cheesy (Noah was knower????) and the vocals are literally the worst in death metal history. |
I disagree.. I love that tune, it jams!
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Mon May 05, 2008 9:17 pm | |
| I actually liked the s/t Mortification album. Not a fan of much after that.
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zombiewalkin
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| | Subject: Re: Dream Concert - Mortification, The Showdown, Of The Son Tue May 06, 2008 5:43 am | |
| I found the Noah ep last week online and gave it a listen. "Noah Was A Knower" is a fun tune IMO. Sure it's goofy but I think Steve meant it to be goofy. The interview on that ep is great.
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