Believer - Gabriel Album

topshot rhit · Number of posts: 21 Registration date: 2007-04-19

Black Rider wrote:

Do you know the guys thoughts on why they moved away from the blatant christian lyrics? I'm not bashing just curious, they've been so upfront in the past.

Which are the boldest songs? I can't find any lyrics online.

Marko86 · Number of posts: 5 Age: 23 Registration date: 2009-03-06

Gabriel lyrics:

http://www.believer.dbv.pl/viewpage.php?page_id=66

Enjoy ;-)

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topshot rhit · Number of posts: 21 Registration date: 2007-04-19

Thank you!

Marko86 · Number of posts: 5 Age: 23 Registration date: 2009-03-06

Hehe, no problem man! Please vote in poll (Favourite Believer album)! Smile

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7thSecond · Number of posts: 440 Age: 38 Registration date: 2007-04-07

People/bands change. Just because Believer were a Christian band years ago doesn't mean that they, or any members of the band, are now. I listened to many 80's straight edge hardcore bands that aren't straight edge anymore. Until someone reads a current interview with them there is really no way of knowing.

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**Tall Tyrion** · Number of posts: 10208 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-01-28

Here is a current interview:

http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/showinterview.php?id=2625

They don't seem to have any qualms about being identified as Christians personally, but shy away from a "Christian band" label.

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**Black Rider** · Subject: Re: Believer - Gabriel Album Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:23 pm

Good interview. Don't agree about the natural selection idea but that's a different subject.

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**Tall Tyrion** · Number of posts: 10208 Age: 41 Registration date: 2007-01-28

I like that they gave us a plug over at ST!

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7thSecond · Number of posts: 440 Age: 38 Registration date: 2007-04-07

Thanks for the link as I hadn't seen that.

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**arttieTHE1manparty** · Subject: Re: Believer - Gabriel Album Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:29 am

Looked like a review only...didn't see an actual interview. Did I miss it somewhere?

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pershing1134 · Number of posts: 191 Age: 38 Registration date: 2008-03-25

Love the new tunes, disappointed witih some of the theology thoughts outside of the music realm. For me, this album should have been released under a different name, not Believer. If they don't want to be labled as a "Christian" band (which was stated in the interview), then why use the Believer name?

endlessfuneral2003 · Number of posts: 1480 Registration date: 2007-01-01

Why not? It's a cool name and it still has meaning even if they don't want to be labeled as a christian band.

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mr.electric39 · Number of posts: 1367 Age: 41 Registration date: 2008-02-03

Finally connected with the interview. Of course they ruffled all our feathers.

It would seem to me they are in a different place theologically than where many of us are. Kurt and Joey's answer regarding evolution was rather 'engaging'.

"Final question: in Holland we celebrate the Darwin year: we remember that Charles Darwin was born two hundred years ago and that his main work “The Origin Of Species” was published a hundred and fifty years ago. It has lead to a debate between creationists and evolutionists which reminds more of a trench war than a discussion. Now with Kurt being a medical expert, but also a Christian, I would like to know if you see a possibility of both viewpoints coming together? Catholic scientists like Teilhard de Chardin have tried to bring evolution into the tale of creation. Is that something that you consider possible, or is it plain blasphemy?

Kurt: To me, there is no reason to separate evolution and creation. I see evolution everyday in the lab so it is a very real thing for me. I’m a cancer researcher and I see cancers mutate and evolve into untreatable killing machines. In my opinion, evolution is just a process of creation. Other than that, I really don’t pay a lot of attention to what I consider a ridiculous debate.

Jeff: I have an interest in the philosophy of science but also find this debate to be pointless. At this time, natural selection and evolution provide us with the best framework for understanding the origins of all life. Whether or not you believe in God as the “first cause”, the preponderance of the evidence points to natural selection as the mechanism that drives the evolution of all life forms. For people who have unquestioningly accepted the ideas of “Creation Science” or the Intelligent Design movement, entertaining this possibility can be very unsettling. However, it is never blasphemous to pursue the truth, and the pursuit of truth requires the willingness to challenge your assumptions and lay aside preconceived notions when faced with contrary evidence. "

well ok..... Suspect

I loved the new album but I don't appreciate being talked down to. a bit disappointing but wouldn't surprise me if they were just hoping to distance themselves from any 'self proclaimed fundamentalists'......

Rolling Eyes

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METALOMAN · Number of posts: 50 Age: 43 Registration date: 2007-03-26

I don't see anything wrong with their answers to the questions about their bands or their personal Christianity...

About evolutionism vs creationism... I this as they do.

I like the CD

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**Black Rider** · Subject: Re: Believer - Gabriel Album Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:27 pm

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Whether or not you believe in God as the “first cause”, the preponderance of the evidence points to natural selection as the mechanism that drives the evolution of all life forms. For people who have unquestioningly accepted the ideas of “Creation Science” or the Intelligent Design movement, entertaining this possibility can be very unsettling.

Two things.

Preponderance? If there are millions of years of evolution there should be way more evidence. And the example used in the article was of cell mutation which is not evolution as no change of genetic structure happens.

Unquestioningly? I'm kind of insulted.

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**Black Rider** · Subject: Re: Believer - Gabriel Album Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:28 pm

Still a great album.

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pershing1134 · Number of posts: 191 Age: 38 Registration date: 2008-03-25

Again, I think the music is fantastic. Sounds like they just want to be a band, with no preconceived ideas or notions. Based on this, I think it would have been better to use a different name than Believer.

pershing1134 · Number of posts: 191 Age: 38 Registration date: 2008-03-25

Black Rider wrote:

Still a great album.

Agreed!

mr.electric39 · Number of posts: 1367 Age: 41 Registration date: 2008-02-03

Black Rider wrote:

Quote:

Whether or not you believe in God as the “first cause”, the preponderance of the evidence points to natural selection as the mechanism that drives the evolution of all life forms. For people who have unquestioningly accepted the ideas of “Creation Science” or the Intelligent Design movement, entertaining this possibility can be very unsettling.

Two things.

Preponderance? If there are millions of years of evolution there should be way more evidence. And the example used in the article was of cell mutation which is not evolution as no change of genetic structure happens.

Unquestioningly? I'm kind of insulted.

I was pissed off to be frank. Sorta silly I know but Rider you said it bro... It's a classic "I'm right and you're wrong. Oh and if you disagree you're just ignorant or unintelligent". No room for dissenting points of view...

scratch

p.s. yes the album is Fantastic...

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RegnumIrae · Number of posts: 479 Age: 23 Registration date: 2007-04-07

"For people who have..."

If you haven't done it unquestioningly, then that statement doesn't apply to you. Nothing insulting about it.

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