It's been 17 years. People change, mature, gain experience, grow smarter and wiser. Just because they don't sing Jesus this, Jesus that, doesn't mean they should change the name of the band. Listen again. It's still Believer. Should Stryper have changed there name when they released "Against the Law"? Then what, change it back to Stryper when they released 7 and Reborn? Gimme a break.

I don't think they should have changed the name at all. It (Gabriel) sounds totally like Believer to me.

I think bands should change their name if the musical direction changes drastically.

Even though i disagree with their views on creationism and lumping in ID as a theological belief and that they confuse natural selection as the same thing as evolution...........I still love the cd ! Mostly a very good album - except for the track 'The Brave' which is average - except for the riff at the end which is cool!

[/quote]I'm not trying to fight you here but I do have a question. If God is just ultimate cause and he started evolution then how was his creation good when, before sin, we had pain, death, and destruction? And why is creation so easily discounted as a scientific theory? The boys at ICR have know trouble using science to back what they believe.[/quote]

With my earlier post I didn´t want to say that I have answers to everything. I surely don´t have. And I don´t believe that evolution is the ultimate truth, but merely a best scientific theory we have at this time. Science also seems to evolve all the time.

I have a belief that when world was created, God created a natural system where life sustains itself. So God works through his own creation and it´s system. I do also believe that besides that God makes interventions to our lifes.. Jesus as a one very remarkable intervention.

So I don´t see science and faith ruling each others out - both are trying to find origins of life and reasons of life with their own language and methods.

I also don´t want to fight. I believe that we all need to stay humble, study Word, study science and pray hard.

Don´t know if I aswered your question.. see, I have thoughts, but english is not my home languag.. so getting it all down is a different thing.

Well i think the music is good but i have a problem with their new take on Christianity. Looks like Kurt has been blinded by his secular learning to believe that God's truth can be warped into whatever suites the individual. His example is adaptation not evolution... It seems like everytime i turn around a old school Christian metal musician is accepting crazy doctrines or completely fallen away.

And what's with the UFO content? It seems like they want to write about more non Christian topics than anything.

Evolution is not a theological issue; it's a science issue. Just as Genesis is not a science textbook. The problems I have with evolution are not theologically motivated. I'm convinced that evolutionary theory, as it is currently promoted in context of origins of species, is just bad science. I'm so glad Ben Stein signed on to do the Expelled documentary, because that doc presented, in an intelligent way (pun intended), why intelligent design should be considered a valid alternative.

Now, if you want to talk about adaptation of species for survival, I believe that we have a lot of room to explore that, both scientifically and theologically. Through the studies of anthropology, archeology, and biology, we can study how animal species have adapted to changing climates and environments. How far that goes is really the debate I guess, especially for Christians as we study what God's word.

I suggest that everybody interested in the intelligent design movement to pick up one of Phillip Johnson's books, especially Darwin on Trial.

Greg

a promo photo I received from the label