WHY is homosexuality wrong.

Master's Apprentice · Number of posts: 828 Age: 37 Registration date: 2009-02-20

Here we go again...

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**exo** · Number of posts: 8672 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

No, i'm done. there's a reason i don't generally participate n the theological debates in this subforum, and I think you've just seen it.

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Fortifiv3 · Number of posts: 43 Registration date: 2009-10-17

texanvfg wrote:

That even though we strugglewith sin, we are in Christ! This link should help you to see this....

Thanks - I did learn something from this. But I still want to make the point that if you are in Christ you will not sin.

Right Here :

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,^[b] ²because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. (This means that Jesus Christ's Spirit set us free from sin. Jesus said in Luke 11:23 that "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me, scatters." This means that if we are in sin then we are not in Christ. If we are in Christ we are not in sin. I want to make it clear that I'm saying it is when you "walk in the flesh" that you sin. Not following Jesus is how sins are committed.)³For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,^[c] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering.^[d] And so he condemned sin in sinful man,^[e] ⁴in
order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in
us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the
Spirit.

I don't know, I could be wrong. I do not know the real Truths that God know,(No man knows) I am only human. It is just what I think and how I interpret it.

texanvfg · Number of posts: 302 Age: 40 Registration date: 2009-07-04

Fortifiv3 wrote:

Thanks - I did learn something from this. But I still want to make the point that if you are in Christ you will not sin.

I will make a point - a simple one really - that I pointed out to my son the other day when we were going over his Bible study - when a person accepts Christ they do NOT become sinless, but as they grow in a relationship with Christ they sin less. 1 John 1:7-9 states this:

⁷But if we walk in
the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another,
and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all^{(or every)}sin. ⁸If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. ⁹If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
It's like a person who refines and purifies metals - they heat it up to get all the impurities out and they keep doing this process until they have the purest form of the metal they are after. Now, the only way a Christian will be sinless is when they are standing in the presence of the Lord - but the Lord does refine us throughout our whole walk to get the purest form of us He wants. In other words, we, as blood bought believers in Christ, will struggle with sin in some form or fashion until we die.....

Fortifiv3 wrote:

I don't know, I could be wrong. I do not know the real Truths that God know,(No man knows) I am only human. It is just what I think and how I interpret it.

Allow the Spirit to interpret scripture for you - do not rely on the frailty that is the human mind. That starts one on a slippery slope of incorrectly deciding what Gods' Word says and does not say. Thats why you have people like Fred Phelps running around - twisting scripture to fit his agenda.....

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shadow_zone · Number of posts: 502 Age: 23 Registration date: 2008-12-03

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Thanks - I did learn something from this. But I still want to make the point that if you are in Christ you will not sin.

Round in circles this discussion goes. Im sitting the rest of this one out. Have fun.

**exo** · Number of posts: 8672 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

texanvfg wrote:

I will make a point - a simple one really - that I pointed out to my son the other day when we were going over his Bible study - when a person accepts Christ they do NOT become sinless, but as they grow in a relationship with Christ they sin less.

Thats a great explanation.

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Obama is no more the Anti-Christ than George Bush is Sauron, sending his armies into Iraq searching for the One Ring.....

Dwarven gravitational theory states that enough ale will make anything fall down.

Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

GODSWIZARD · Subject: Re: WHY is homosexuality wrong. Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:31 pm

One last quoted statement, and my associated counter--statements, and then i'm done as this bears no chance of ever going anywhere constructive and correct. (IMO of course)

Points:

1. Fortifiv3 said:

Quote:

But I still want to make the point that if you are in Christ you will not sin.

B.S.

Deep, stinky, yucky--icky--poo verbal B.S.

That is wrong, nasty wrong, egregiously incorrect, misguidedly erroneous, and a yucky--icky--poo opinion that does not agree with either truth or the correct exegesis (explanation or critical interpretation of a text, i.e. the Bible) of the document in question.

Don't sin much Fortifiv3??

Yeah......right!!

The rest of Christian humanity still does sin.

Join the club.

2. Texanvfg (who really lives in Argentina--don't tell him I said that

) said:

Quote:

Fortifiv3 wrote:

Thanks - I did learn something from this. But I still want to make the point that if you are in Christ you will not sin.

I will make a point - a simple one really - that I pointed out to my son the other day when we were going over his Bible study - when a person accepts Christ they do NOT become sinless, but as they grow in a relationship with Christ they sin less.

BFB.

Later, he also said:

Quote:

Fortifiv3 wrote:

I don't know, I could be wrong. I do not know the real Truths that God know,(No man knows) I am only human. It is just what I think and how I interpret it.

Allow the Spirit to interpret scripture for you - do not rely on the frailty that is the human mind. That starts one on a slippery slope of incorrectly deciding what Gods' Word says and does not say. Thats why you have people like Fred Phelps running around - twisting scripture to fit his agenda.....

Big Freaking Bingo.

3. Well, that's it.

I'd love to haggle back and forth with Fortifiv3 over this matter of Biblical exegesis, but i've other important things to do like scratch my groin, burp loudly and with gusto, fart loudly too, and attempt to make rhythmic armpit farting noises. I am a busy, busy man.

Greg is busy

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Musclecar1975 · Number of posts: 541 Age: 39 Registration date: 2009-06-15

I have to break my silence on this thread to say to GW and Texan that your posts were excellent and on the mark!

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KingsRite · Number of posts: 1543 Age: 39 Registration date: 2008-07-23

What is Big Freaking Bingo and where can I get their music???

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texanvfg · Number of posts: 302 Age: 40 Registration date: 2009-07-04

KingsRite wrote:

What is Big Freaking Bingo and where can I get their music???

A really bad Seattle post hardcore band - plus they smell like rotten eggs. One of GW's favorites

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Fortifiv3 · Number of posts: 43 Registration date: 2009-10-17

Quote:

GODSWIZARD said :
The rest of Christian humanity still does sin. Join the club.

I will not be tempted by Satan to commit acts against my God.

**exo** · Number of posts: 8672 Age: 34 Registration date: 2007-04-07

Mark 1: 12-13 explicitly state Christ himself was tempted by Satan.

Peter made similar statements before denying Christ, and HE literally walked with Christ in the flesh. Pride and vanity are sins as well, my brother.

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Obama is no more the Anti-Christ than George Bush is Sauron, sending his armies into Iraq searching for the One Ring.....

Dwarven gravitational theory states that enough ale will make anything fall down.

Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

GODSWIZARD · Subject: Re: WHY is homosexuality wrong. Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:06 pm

Fortifiv3 said:

Quote:

GODSWIZARD said :
The rest of Christian humanity still does sin. Join the club.

I will not be tempted by Satan to commit acts against my God.

Please choose the option which most represents you Fortifiv3.

A--You are not human.

B--You are perfect.

C--satan is too busy to f*** with you.

D--All of the above.

E--You are not terribly indisposed toward correct Biblical exegesis, correct Christian theology, Christian doctrines, and Christian thoughts toward human sin which come from it.

F--Greg loves Islam.

Choose wisely.

Brunhilde awaits your choice.

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**alldatndensum** · Subject: Re: WHY is homosexuality wrong. Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:41 pm

I choose: G--Sir Richard Shartonus.

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intrigued1 · Number of posts: 295 Age: 41 Registration date: 2009-01-25

Haven't read the whole thread, but it seems to me the difference is the definition of sin which was on another thread.

GODSWIZARD · Subject: Re: WHY is homosexuality wrong. Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:38 pm

Alldat said:

Quote:

I choose: G--Sir Richard Shartonus.

And I did

Right about now I can hear Richard Burton saying, "To fart or not to fart. That is the question."

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texanvfg · Number of posts: 302 Age: 40 Registration date: 2009-07-04

Quote:

GODSWIZARD said :
The rest of Christian humanity still does sin. Join the club.

BFB

Fortifiv3 wrote:

I will not be tempted by Satan to commit acts against my God.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

It's good you dont want to be tempted - some temptations we can walk by if we are strong enough in Him to do so - others, our flesh may win and we succumb to it....

Last time dude/dudette - 1 John 1:7-9 (especially vs 8 for you) if you claim to be without sin, then you are lying to yourself and there is no truth in you - you have a problem with this? Take it up with God.......

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GODSWIZARD said :
2. Texanvfg (who really lives in Argentina--don't tell him I said that

)

Dangit! Now I gotta move......AGAIN!!!!!!

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"PELVIC THRUSTS OF DESTRUCTION rocks!" GODSWIZARD

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intrigued1 · Number of posts: 295 Age: 41 Registration date: 2009-01-25

Just curious, what kinds of sins do you commit?

Is there no power in the Holy Spirit than can overcome the sinful desires of humanity?

Is sin more powerful than God?

Why must we continue to struggle with sin? Why would God want that?

Musclecar1975 · Number of posts: 541 Age: 39 Registration date: 2009-06-15

GODSWIZARD wrote:

Fortifiv3 said:

Quote:

GODSWIZARD said :
The rest of Christian humanity still does sin. Join the club.

I will not be tempted by Satan to commit acts against my God.

Please choose the option which most represents you Fortifiv3.

A--You are not human.

B--You are perfect.

C--satan is too busy to f*** with you.

D--All of the above.

E--You are not terribly indisposed toward correct Biblical exegesis, correct Christian theology, Christian doctrines, and Christian thoughts toward human sin which come from it.

F--Greg loves Islam.

Choose wisely.

Brunhilde awaits your choice.

Hey GW! Here's another choice you could use: G--You're dead.

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Fortifiv3 · Number of posts: 43 Registration date: 2009-10-17

You guys should quit being mean to me. I don't like to be mocked. I'm just trying to say that those who are in Christ do not sin. That is the reason Christ came to the earth, to free us from our sins. I'm not saying I don't sin, or that I am perfect, because only Christ is perfect, and yes, I am human. I am guilty of sin because I was not in Christ.