WHY is homosexuality wrong.

**alldatndensum** · Subject: Re: WHY is homosexuality wrong. Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:48 am

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What reason would you give a gay person who has
not been saved.......Because God said so doesnt work. The whole disease
thing doesnt even work on straight people......What about gay people
who use a condem.........What about someone who is saved who still sins
in this manner? Are they going to Hell?

Then you cannot use that for any sin, and you justify everything. Why is murder wrong? Because God said so! Why is it wrong to steal? Because God said so!

Either someone is willing to hear what God has to say and accept it by faith, or they aren't. It's pretty cut and dried in my opinion.

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metalheaded · Number of posts: 435 Age: 37 Registration date: 2007-12-01

Well, for things we don't understand because of our experience (or lack thereof), we can say "because God said so".

But on things we DO understand, there are, in fact, reasons WHY He says so, and we can know those reasons. In the case of homosexuality, it's pretty simple, to me. The physical makeup of our bodies should be reason enough...two outies (or two innies) do not a proper union make (and the 'other' orifice was NEVER intended to be used the way homosexuals (or heterosexuals, for that matter) use it...

). No reproduction can take place, either, which is an important fact.

If He had created men to be with men and women with women, then there would be evidence easy to see and understand instead of all this "confusion", which really isn't confusion at all, but obstinacy.

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Dropout · Number of posts: 246 Registration date: 2007-04-07

alldatndensum wrote:

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What reason would you give a gay person who has
not been saved.......Because God said so doesnt work. The whole disease
thing doesnt even work on straight people......What about gay people
who use a condem.........What about someone who is saved who still sins
in this manner? Are they going to Hell?

Then you cannot use that for any sin, and you justify everything. Why is murder wrong? Because God said so! Why is it wrong to steal? Because God said so!

Either someone is willing to hear what God has to say and accept it by faith, or they aren't. It's pretty cut and dried in my opinion.

You're using rationale that Christians understand to woo the masses and it typically doesn't work unless they aware that they need something else. For those that are unaware the only thing to do is model Christ. They may eventually notice but it can take years.

KingsRite · Number of posts: 1543 Age: 39 Registration date: 2008-07-23

Romans 1 teaches that homosexuality is a genetical curse.

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Equus Albus · Number of posts: 101 Age: 20 Registration date: 2009-07-20

Dropout wrote:

While this is kinda off-topic it's also somewhat realted. Some of you may have seen this (I didn't write it):

I was holding a notice from my 13-year-old son's school announcing a
meeting to preview the new course in sexuality. Parents could examine
the curriculum and take part in an actual lesson presented exactly as it
would be given to the students.

When I arrived at the school, I was surprised to discover only about a
dozen parents there. As we waited for the presentation, I thumbed
through page after page of instructions in the prevention of pregnancy
or disease I found abstinence mentioned only in passing.

When the teacher arrived with the school nurse, she asked if there were
any questions. I asked why abstinence did not play a noticeable part in
the material.

What happened next was shocking. There was a great deal of laughter, and
someone suggested that if I thought abstinence had any merit, I should
go back to burying my head in the sand.

The teacher and the nurse said nothing as I drowned in a sea of
embarrassment. My mind had gone blank, and I could think of nothing to say.

The teacher explained to me that the job of the school was to teach
"facts," and the home was responsible for moral training.

I sat in silence for the next 20 minutes as the course was explained.
The other parents seemed to give their unqualified support to the materials.

"Donuts, at the back," announced the teacher during the break. "I'd like
you to put on the name tags we have prepared--they're right by the
donuts -- and mingle with the other parents."

Everyone moved to the back of the room. As I watched them affixing their
name tags and shaking hands, I sat deep in thought.

I was ashamed that I had not been able to convince them to include a
serious discussion of abstinence in the materials. I uttered a silent
prayer for guidance.

My thoughts were interrupted by the teacher's hand on my shoulder.
"Won't you join the others, Mr. Layton?"

The nurse smiled sweetly at me. "The donuts are good."

"Thank you, no," I replied.

"Well, then, how about a name tag? I'm sure the others would like to
meet you."

"Somehow I doubt that," I replied.

"Won't you please join them?" she coaxed.

Then I heard a still, small voice whisper, "Don't go." The instruction
was unmistakable. "Don't go!" "I'll just wait here," I said.

When the class was called back to order, the teacher looked around the
long table and thanked everyone for putting on name tags. She ignored me.

Then she said, "Now we're going to give you the same lesson we'll be
giving your children. Everyone please peel off your name tags."

I watched in silence as the tags came off.

"Now, then, on the back of one of the tags, I drew a tiny flower. Who
has it, please?"

The gentleman across from me held it up. "Here it is!"

"All right," she said. "The flower represents disease. Do you recall
with whom you shook hands?"

He pointed to a couple of people.

"Very good," she replied. "The handshake in this case represents
intimacy. So the two people you had contact with now have the disease."

There was laughter and joking among the parents. The teacher
continued,"And with whom did the two of you shake hands?"

The point was well taken, and she explained how this lesson would show
students how quickly disease is spread. "Since we all shook hands, we
all have the disease."

It was then that I heard the still, small voice again. "Speak now", it
said, "but be humble." I noted wryly the latter admonition, then rose
from my chair.

I apologized for any upset I might have caused earlier, congratulated
the teacher on an excellent lesson that would impress the youth, and
concluded by saying I had only one small point I wished to make. "Not
all of us were infected,"

I said. "One of us... abstained."

Awesomeness

projectpandemic · Number of posts: 437 Age: 39 Registration date: 2007-05-09

By the way, Im not advocateing homosexualality........Its just for 28 years I was an extreme sinner in many other ways and the attack ( Persived or real) of a Christian on my lifestyle would have shut the door.........Im just saying that to tell someone who never met God in the way we have "Because God said so" is a way to shut doors........God saved me, God changed me, and God continues to do so. I had to "Hear" it from him. I believe that if gay person seeks God he will find him and if he keeps an open heart and one with which he wishes to please God, he will change him........I just hate how nasty Christians get towards sinners..........Thats all. God Loves Gay People.......So should we. I love my son but I dont condone his behavor all the time, but as I spend time to teach him he grows and someday he will agree with what we have taught him.........maybe, he is quite the rable rouser at 11 yrs old. Very Happy

**alldatndensum** · Subject: Re: WHY is homosexuality wrong. Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:04 am

Quote:

You're using rationale that Christians
understand to woo the masses and it typically doesn't work unless they
aware that they need something else. For those that are unaware the
only thing to do is model Christ. They may eventually notice but it can
take years.

I won't disagree with that. However, even a relationship with Christ is something that also has to be accepted by faith. You assume that I would not go further to explain that sin is only truly overcome by faith in Jesus Christ. Still, we would not know what any sin is unless God had told us. It all comes down to what God said. Either we believe it, or we don't.

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Follower of Jesus · Number of posts: 3334 Age: 36 Registration date: 2007-04-07

Dropout wrote:

"Homosexuals are just like me, they want to have sex with someone they shouldn't".

That is a GREAT quote!

GODSWIZARD · Subject: Re: WHY is homosexuality wrong. Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:48 pm

Points:

1. Yeah.....what FOJ said.....that is a very, very good statement by Dropout.

2. The last post I left was this:

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Homosexuality is sure a popular topic around here.

I'm neither going to add much to that......nor will I (honestly) take the time to read all the posts on this thread......I simply don't care to.

3. However, I shall add this into the mix, and I do it honestly and without either sarcasm or cynicism. I do it quite sincerely......and IMO it is the simple answer to what the thread topic question asked. "Why is homosexuality wrong?"

IMO homosexuality (I refuse to butcher the proper meaning of the word "gay" to misuse it as homosexuals intend) is not normal. Period. It's that simple. Sexual relations between two individuals of different genders is normal. Period. Look at how the different genders *fit* together sexually. Duh. That is HIS plan. That is HIS design. Anything else is not normal. Anything else.

Homosexuality is a perversion of the normal. Perversion.

Often......often homosexuality comes with a mindset of rebellion. I'm not talking about the rebellion that we all, as humans, excel at. We are sinners and by definition, as sinners, we are all in rebellion against GOD. However, the homosexual often takes rebellion to a new art form. Often, to a homosexual, rebellion against GOD and HIS agent among us, the HOLY SPIRIT, is taken to a degree of utter, prideful, hateful, spiteful, and "In your f****** face GOD, whoever, or whatever, or wherever you are. Nyah--Nyah--Nyah--Nyah.....you're not the boss of me!!"

Gee.....beside the perversion and abnormality of the warping of the sexual act itself......that homosexuals by definition do as they engage in sex.....it often comes with the mindset described above. Gee.....I wonder why GOD hates it??

Again....."Duh."

Want to agree with me??

O.K. then agree. Cool.

You see it too.

Want to disagree with me??

O.K. then disagree. Life will go on.

Keep on posting.

Nothing to see here.

Move along.

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scottmitchell74 · Number of posts: 4950 Age: 35 Registration date: 2007-03-07

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Dropout wrote:

"Homosexuals are just like me, they want to have sex with someone they shouldn't".

That is a GREAT quote!

Agreed! Might be the best most succinct quote ever on the subject.

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Musclecar1975 · Number of posts: 541 Age: 39 Registration date: 2009-06-15

GODSWIZARD wrote:

Points:

1. Yeah.....what FOJ said.....that is a very, very good statement by Dropout.

2. The last post I left was this:

Quote:

Homosexuality is sure a popular topic around here.

I'm neither going to add much to that......nor will I (honestly) take the time to read all the posts on this thread......I simply don't care to.

3. However, I shall add this into the mix, and I do it honestly and without either sarcasm or cynicism. I do it quite sincerely......and IMO it is the simple answer to what the thread topic question asked. "Why is homosexuality wrong?"

IMO homosexuality (I refuse to butcher the proper meaning of the word "gay" to misuse it as homosexuals intend) is not normal. Period. It's that simple. Sexual relations between two individuals of different genders is normal. Period. Look at how the different genders *fit* together sexually. Duh. That is HIS plan. That is HIS design. Anything else is not normal. Anything else.

Homosexuality is a perversion of the normal. Perversion.

Often......often homosexuality comes with a mindset of rebellion. I'm not talking about the rebellion that we all, as humans, excel at. We are sinners and by definition, as sinners, we are all in rebellion against GOD. However, the homosexual often takes rebellion to a new art form. Often, to a homosexual, rebellion against GOD and HIS agent among us, the HOLY SPIRIT, is taken to a degree of utter, prideful, hateful, spiteful, and "In your f****** face GOD, whoever, or whatever, or wherever you are. Nyah--Nyah--Nyah--Nyah.....you're not the boss of me!!"

Gee.....beside the perversion and abnormality of the warping of the sexual act itself......that homosexuals by definition do as they engage in sex.....it often comes with the mindset described above. Gee.....I wonder why GOD hates it??

Again....."Duh."

Want to agree with me??

O.K. then agree. Cool.

You see it too.

Want to disagree with me??

O.K. then disagree. Life will go on.

Keep on posting.

Nothing to see here.

Move along.

Excellent post, GW!

I would also like to add that there is research out there that shows that the lifespan for the homosexual is shorter than for heterosexuals. Society as a whole suffers when homosexuality is embraced, because God's plan for society is the nuclear family: father, mother and children. The nuclear family is what holds society together, and since homosexuals cannot procreate, eventually our society suffers.

Homosexuals are known to have far more sexual partners than heterosexuals, because it is unbribled lust. John MacArthur did an excellent sermon series on homosexuality that you can download for free off his website, just do a search on homosexuality.

Think about when all the men of the city surrounded Lot's house in Sodom and Gomorrah demanding that he send out his two house guests (Angles of the Lord) so that they could have sex with them. And when the angels struck this them all with blindness, rather than freaking out over how they were now blind and run off in fear, what did they do? They kept reaching for the door so they could get in and have their way with those angels, so much so until they wore themselves out looking for the door. This illustrates the depth of the depravity and rebellion of this sin. Generally, they are blinded by lust.

This sounds so much like how homosexuals are today.....they flaunt their sin in front of us demanding that we accept it and insist on letting them indoctrinate our children.

It is rebellion against God, it is degrading (Romans 1:28) and a grievous sin to God.

And like GW, I refuse to call them "gay" because what is so happy about a lifestyle that destroys the body with diseases and then sends the soul to hell?

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GODSWIZARD · Subject: Re: WHY is homosexuality wrong. Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:41 pm

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And when the angels struck them all with blindness, rather than freaking out over how they were now blind and run off in fear, what did they do? They kept reaching for the door so they could get in and have their way with those angels, so much so until they wore themselves out looking for the door. This illustrates the depth of the depravity and rebellion of this sin. Generally, they are blinded by lust.

I never thought of it that way.

Interesting.

Added to the above:

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This sounds so much like how homosexuals are today.....they flaunt their sin in front of us demanding that we accept it and insist on letting them indoctrinate our children.

It is rebellion against God, it is degrading (Romans 1:28) and a grievous sin to God.

Bingo.

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Bribanez · Number of posts: 176 Registration date: 2009-08-12

I am against homosexuality and gay marrige. Unless both chicks are really hot.

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Fortifiv3 · Number of posts: 43 Registration date: 2009-10-17

Gay and lesbian people are nasty.

Musclecar1975 · Number of posts: 541 Age: 39 Registration date: 2009-06-15

Fortifiv3 wrote:

I believe that if you truly believe and follow Jesus then you will have no problems with homosexuality.

There are brothers and sisters in Christ who do struggle with same sex attractions, just like how all Christians struggle with sin of some sort.

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Fortifiv3 · Number of posts: 43 Registration date: 2009-10-17

There is no one on this Earth who, puts there faith in Jesus, and still struggles with homosexuality. If you truly listen to Jesus and the Spirit he has gifted you with, you will not have any problems with it.

Musclecar1975 · Number of posts: 541 Age: 39 Registration date: 2009-06-15

Fortifiv3 wrote:

There is no one on this Earth who, puts there faith in Jesus, and still struggles with homosexuality. If you truly listen to Jesus and the Spirit he has gifted you with, you will not have any problems with it.

Try telling that to people who have left the homosexual lifestyle and have come to Christ, but still struggle with same-sex attractions. They are out there, whether you want to believe it nor not.

To say "no one on this Earth who, puts there faith in Jesus, and still struggles with homosexuality" is to say that no one who has put thier faith in Jesus still struggles with sin. That is not true.

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Fortifiv3 · Number of posts: 43 Registration date: 2009-10-17

Any one who truly puts their faith in Jesus will not struggle with sin. That is what I am trying to say. I am not saying that homosexual people aren't Christians, I'm saying if you truly put your faith in Jesus you will not struggle with any sin at all.

shadow_zone · Number of posts: 502 Age: 23 Registration date: 2008-12-03

Are you kidding? I know heaps of people who have put on Christ, and have done it sincerely, who still struggle with some sins, the question is, do they do it by choice or by accident? I still struggle with some sins, it doesnt mean I want to, does that make me a fake christian?

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There is not such thing as a homosexual follower of Christ.

So a gay person cannot repent and become a christian? Is there any difference between a man lusting after a woman he's not married to and a man lusting after a man? I dont think there is, it is still adultery in his heart, like Jesus said.

I think that a gay person has the same hurdles to overcome with lust as a straight person, only it would be more difficult, because there is no such thing as gay marriage.

Fortifiv3 · Number of posts: 43 Registration date: 2009-10-17

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So a gay person cannot repent and become a christian?

If someone is gay, they can be considered Christian. But they are not a follower of Christ. There is in fact a difference in a man lusting for a woman and a man lusting for a man. A man lusting for a woman is a natural case, a man lusting for another man is just something that anyone from an unnatural mental state would do.

Like I have said before : I am not saying that homosexual people aren't Christians, I'm saying if you truly put your faith in Jesus you will not struggle with any sin at all.

Now someone will probably make a reply to this saying something along the lines of : "Christians still struggle with sin." This is a true statement. I myself, am I Christian, and I struggle with sin. My reply to this statement is the same as above : if you truly put your faith in Jesus you will not struggle with any sin at all.

Why do you insist on posting the same argument against me when I have answered you 4 times before. (This being the 4th time)