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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:39 pm

My great uncle used to meet them at the front door with the American flag. He would tell them he was glad to talk to them AFTER they said the Pledge Of Allegiance with him.

My uncle, who is a Southern Baptist minister, just stands at the door and preaches chapter and verse to them. They don't stay long.


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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:44 pm

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They used to come over every once in awhile. They fear Roman Catholics, and would never return upon their finding out who they were bothering Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

I also disagree strongly with their "I will refuse to sing the National Anthem and make a big deal out of it," from highschool. And pretty much most of what they say.


Sounds like Obama-wan he wants to I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing instead of our violent National Anthem. flower


Singing will certainly stop the terrorists Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:56 pm

I heard a very good sermon from a guest speaker at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills named Charlie Campbell who spoke on how to witness to the JW's. Here's a link to the Calvary Chapel site:

http://www.calvarycch.org/media_center.php

Scroll down to March 29th, 2009 and you will find the sermon "The Jehovah's Witness Examined" and you can listen to it.

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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:51 am

Just read this and thought I would register.

First post and Hey all!

Meditate on the word we all must be biblically Literate.

When they come to your door . How do you witness to them?

I looked at all the topics and if this is in the wrong place then forgive me.

Here is my little Strategy.

Since
the J.W.'s do not believe in the trinity, they believe that Jesus is
just a prophet. Before they get started on their Watchtower
presentation.

Ask. "May I ask you a question"
J.W. "Yes"

ME "Do you have your Watchtower bible on you?"
J.W. "Yes I do, What is your question."

(In the Watchtower they have Jehovah not Lord God)

Ask them to read

Revelation 1:8
1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Ask them, Who is Speaking here? they will reply, Jehovah is Speaking here

You reply "So the Alpha and the Omega is Jehovah?"

J.W. will reply Yes

Then ask them to read Revelation 22:13
22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Ask them, Who is Speaking here? they will reply, Jehovah is Speaking here

Verify that the Beginining and the end, First and the last is Jehovah.

Then (Third time is a Charm)

Ask them to read

Revelation 1:17-18
1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, "Don't be afraid. I am the first and the last,

1:18 and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades.

Ask them I am assuming this is Jehovah Speaking?

When did Jehovah Die?
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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:34 pm

The entire post by Guest:

Quote:
Just read this and thought I would register.

First post and Hey all!

Meditate on the word we all must be biblically Literate.

When they come to your door . How do you witness to them?

I looked at all the topics and if this is in the wrong place then forgive me.

Here is my little Strategy.

Since
the J.W.'s do not believe in the trinity, they believe that Jesus is
just a prophet. Before they get started on their Watchtower
presentation.

Ask. "May I ask you a question"
J.W. "Yes"

ME "Do you have your Watchtower bible on you?"
J.W. "Yes I do, What is your question."

(In the Watchtower they have Jehovah not Lord God)

Ask them to read

Revelation 1:8
1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Ask them, Who is Speaking here? they will reply, Jehovah is Speaking here

You reply "So the Alpha and the Omega is Jehovah?"

J.W. will reply Yes

Then ask them to read Revelation 22:13
22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Ask them, Who is Speaking here? they will reply, Jehovah is Speaking here

Verify that the Beginining and the end, First and the last is Jehovah.

Then (Third time is a Charm)

Ask them to read

Revelation 1:17-18
1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, "Don't be afraid. I am the first and the last,

1:18 and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades.

Ask them I am assuming this is Jehovah Speaking?

When did Jehovah Die?


Nice.




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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:53 pm

Apparently you ask a Jehovahs witness who is jesus, that throws them off cause they apparently dont know Jesus or something like that
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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:01 pm

Do you know why Italians don't like Jehova's Witnesses?

Italians don't like any witnesses!

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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:09 am

Eniel wrote:
freddie8 wrote:
i have these jehovah witnesses guys keep coming back to my house and we get into these debates about everything in the bible, has anybody else got into debates with them and what did u say to them, can u help me out

I have some experience talking to a lot of people from different sects, and I find that there's one question that works on all of them: How can you know you are saved? Cause they can't.

Talking to mormons, all they point to is a feeling that they're saved. JWs have hope, at best. They all have to do their utmost, and in the end all they can do is hope that it's good enough.

As Chrstians we can have total assurance of our salvation, because our salvation doesn't rely on our own works but on the perfect and complete work of Christ. He lived a perfect life, and he died for our sins. We are totally forgiven. Sects don't have that, they always, in some form, bring their own works into the mix.


Interesting point of view.

As an active Mormon and firm believer in the atonement Christ has made for me, I must point out that your assumption that Christ will save us in our sins is false. It is by our works that we are judged, but through the grace of Jesus and his atoning sacrifice our sins are forgiven by our sincere repentance, faith and trust in His name. Our works are the most important statement we can make in this life as disciples of Christ (James 2:14-20).

Acts 24:15-16 clearly states that both the just and the unjust will rise in the resurrection to be judged. He that Jesus does not confess (footnote:acknowledge) will not be saved in the kingdom of heaven (Rev 3:5). How else will we be judged if not by our works?

I have received a testimony of these truths through the manifestation of the Holy Spirit and I invite you to follow the admonition of James 1:5 and ask God through sincere and humble prayer if these things are true.

As for JWs, I usually pull out my trusty Book of Mormon and they are gone in 60 seconds...........

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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:37 am

Quote:
Do you know why Italians don't like Jehova's Witnesses?

Italians don't like any witnesses!


Smile

Amusing. Never heard that.





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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:24 pm

Interesting point of view.

It is by our works that we are judged, but through the grace of Jesus and his atoning sacrifice our sins are forgiven by our sincere repentance, faith and trust in His name. Our works are the most important statement we can make in this life as disciples of Christ (James 2:14-20).

Lets take a moment to reflect on the complete passage:

James 2: 14-25

14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

The underlining topic of discussion in the text here is the difference between 2 types of faith: faith with works and faith without works: is a "faith" that James speaks about that brings about a mere intellectual exercise void of a commitment to active obedience -(ref Matthew 7:16-18.) James then gives us examples of that type of faith :

15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds."
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]?

21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,"[e] and he was called God's friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

Clearly in the text James states that "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him." You have to beleive first before the actions bring fullfilment of faith. Before Abraham had righteouse actions he had faith in God -(ref Genesis 15:6.)

25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

Rahab had to have believed first before taking action. Hebrews 11: 31: 31By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.

It is also recorded in Romans 3: 10-18:

10As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one;
11there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
12All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one."[j]
13"Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit."[k]
"The poison of vipers is on their lips."[l]
14"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."[m]
15"Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16ruin and misery mark their ways,
17and the way of peace they do not know."[n]
18"There is no fear of God before their eyes."[o]

According to scripture there isn't anything we can do -we have all fallen short.

Isaiah 64:6

All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away.



I have received a testimony of these truths through the manifestation of the Holy Spirit and I invite you to follow the admonition of James 1:5 and ask God through sincere and humble prayer if these things are true.

We must test everything through the light of scripture my friend. Proverbs 3:5-7:

5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make your paths straight. [a]
7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
fear the LORD and shun evil.

So what do we do with this? Clearly there is nothing we can do -we have all fallen short. Jesus himself made this claim:

John14:6 6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

The following scriptures will point out that there is no other way except through faith in Jesus Christ:

Romans 1:17


[b]17For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[a] just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."[b][/b]



Romans 3:24 (New International Version)


24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.


Romans 4:1-25 (New International Version)


Romans 4


Abraham Justified by Faith

1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[a]
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7"Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him."[b]
9Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. 12And he is also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
13It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
16Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations."[c] He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.
18Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, "So shall your offspring be."[d] 19Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah's womb was also dead. 20Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness." 23The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, 24but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.



One final scripture:

Romans 7: 21-24

21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God's law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

My friend, I encourage you to throw your books away and obtain a solid translation of the Bible. You may also visit www.biblegateway.com. In order to be saved you must understand that your are wretched in God's eyes: We have not kept his commandments and we are derserving of eternal punishment in hell. You must repent, turn from your sin, and put your trust in Jesus. Do not feel that you must obey His commandments to enter His Grace, but submit to Jesus and He will give you the desire to do good works for His glory! Salvation is a gift -we can not do anything to achieve God's grace.

If you have any questions or wish to debate further please PM me.


May the the Holy Spirit work in your heart and bring true conviction - I pray that you take heed and turn to Jesus.

To the MODS: I pray that you would allow this post as we need to show defense of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Thanks.

David


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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:34 pm

My dad used to invite them in and debate them too... and he could read Hebrew, Latin and Greek and would break out the original texts of the Bible. He was never preachy or anything though and listened alot.. and was not the kind of guy who liked intimidating people.. so they would talk for long periods of time.

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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:43 pm

Answer the door while wearing a black robe, and holding a puppy and knife and say...

"Ahh, you're just in time for the sacrifice!"
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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:56 am

Brother David,

Cheers for the lengthy reply to my post. Great to see enlightened discussion here.

I'm also very pleased the MODS didn't edit or block your reply, I think its healthy to have a forum such as this.

Regarding faith, maybe we'll agree to disagree.

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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:36 am

guest thanks for your reply going to try that 1 when they come again i will let you know how i get on again many thanks 2 everyone
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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:06 pm

madchoons wrote:
Eniel wrote:
freddie8 wrote:
i have these jehovah witnesses guys keep coming back to my house and we get into these debates about everything in the bible, has anybody else got into debates with them and what did u say to them, can u help me out

I have some experience talking to a lot of people from different sects, and I find that there's one question that works on all of them: How can you know you are saved? Cause they can't.

Talking to mormons, all they point to is a feeling that they're saved. JWs have hope, at best. They all have to do their utmost, and in the end all they can do is hope that it's good enough.

As Christians we can have total assurance of our salvation, because our salvation doesn't rely on our own works but on the perfect and complete work of Christ. He lived a perfect life, and he died for our sins. We are totally forgiven. Sects don't have that, they always, in some form, bring their own works into the mix.


Interesting point of view.

As an active Mormon and firm believer in the atonement Christ has made for me, I must point out that your assumption that Christ will save us in our sins is false. It is by our works that we are judged, but through the grace of Jesus and his atoning sacrifice our sins are forgiven by our sincere repentance, faith and trust in His name. Our works are the most important statement we can make in this life as disciples of Christ (James 2:14-20).

Acts 24:15-16 clearly states that both the just and the unjust will rise in the resurrection to be judged. He that Jesus does not confess (footnote:acknowledge) will not be saved in the kingdom of heaven (Rev 3:5). How else will we be judged if not by our works?

I have received a testimony of these truths through the manifestation of the Holy Spirit and I invite you to follow the admonition of James 1:5 and ask God through sincere and humble prayer if these things are true.

As for JWs, I usually pull out my trusty Book of Mormon and they are gone in 60 seconds...........

Cheers and God Bless.

(First of all, I'm sorry for not replying earlier, but I don't check in on this forum too often.)

Well what do you know. I really didn't expect a professing Mormon to pop by a forum for Christian metalheads. Welcome! You seem like an informed and thoughtful person, and I'd love to discuss with you. However, I don't want to bring this thread way off topic, so mods, do as you like with this. But I'd like to reply to your reply

(Now, I want to make clear that I am by no standards an expert on Mormonism, it's just that I've talked a lot to several missionaries and read a little bit on the topic.)

There's a recurring problem I'm having when talking to Mormons, and that is that we often use the same words when explaining things, yet mean different things by them. That'll be just about any words; atonement, salvation, faith, God, Jesus etc. In my experience Mormons and Christians use the same words yet put different meaning into them. Thus it's easy to misunderstand each other.
I've also noticed that Mormons actually don't seem to know a whole lot about what evangelical Christianity is all bout, I'm sad to say, which often adds to the misunderstandings.

madchoons wrote:
I must point out that your assumption that Christ will save us in our sins is false.
Please elaborate. I believe my assumption is correct, with Bible passages like Romans 5:6-10 in mind, verse 8 in particular: "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."
(In case I misunderstood you, I apologize. English is not my first language.)

madchoons wrote:
I have received a testimony of these truths through the manifestation of the Holy Spirit
How would you describe this experience; how did it happen etc? If you would say that you have assurance of salvation, would this experience be what you base it upon?

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PostSubject: Re: jehovah witnesses   Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:18 am

pray for our Jehovah witness friends. I pray God has mercy on them and still remembers them at the judgment day. many sincerely believe in God, are ignorant to (a lot) of their false doctrine, and I believe will be saved.
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