I don't think we can be an effective witness if we continue to eat bacon cheeseburgers. God clearly says that it is wrong.

Would Jesus have eaten a bacon cheeseburger? Think about it...

Wow, unkosher AND mixing meat with milk. You're goin' to hell buddy!

The reason your disclaimer didn't work is because you use terms that convey the exact OPPOSITE of what you claimed.

It should be obvious by now, by the reactions you've recieved in this thead arguing against the stances you've written (and I'm NOT the only person who's had a go at you over them), that YOUR definitions of "Biblical truth" and "the Biblical way" really DON'T serve your purposes like you want them to, and you'd be well advised to re-think and overhaul them. They're FAR to broad and inclusive.

Either YOUR definitions are "off", or the rest of us are, and frankly, given the resistance you've met, the odds are NOT in your favor. For you to continue to rely on definitions for your terminology that confuse and obscure your points and stances is.....foolish....at best, and at worst, destroys the validity of what you say. If the base definition is "off", then there's no possible logical way for the conclusion to be "on".

Your definition of "Biblical truth" and "the Biblical way" don't exactly mesh well with being able to actually determine the heart of the matters. As definitions go, they're overly broad, and will lead to the "truth" holding contradiction. What happens when you have a pair of examples (that are NOT explicit instruction) that contradict each other? Are they both instructive "truth" to be followed, or are they merely historical documentation?

Realistically, if you analyze the terms, "biblical truth" and "the Biblical way" are in essence, exactly the same thing...the WAY and INSTRUCTIONS peresent in the Bible.

Historical recounting of events, or metaphorical examples....those are not "truth", as they are open to interpretation by man, thus leading to myriad possible meanings, and not the solid, immutable, unchanging thing that "truth" is. Mere presence in the Bible does NOT merit classification as "biblical truth" or "the Biblical way".

I'm going to say this one more time: "tradition" does not equal "truth".....your definitions of "biblical truth" and "the Biblical way" DO NOT WORK...and you'd be well served to make the effort to comprehend that. If you fail to understand that simple bit, or discard it as irrelevant, then you SEVERELY handicap your ability to convey your thoughts to others.....this ENTIRE THREAD stands as a testament to that. Learn from the example it provides.

Church vans were not in the OT, so we shouldn't use those either. Let those little children and old people walk in the rain. That's the holy thing to do!

You're totally over-analyzing this. You can argue semantics all you want, but I don't see any contradiction to what I said. Poor presentation? You could argue that, but when one believes they are right, it takes a special kind of humility to convey a message and I'm still learning how to do that.

What I want to see is scripture that proves I am wrong. I've seen some general arguments but nothing solid. Everyone has been to busy telling me why I am wrong instead of presenting a counter-arguement backing up why Christmas and Easter should be what is celebrated. The debate at hand is, Why do we no longer celebrate Passover and Sukkot but we celebrate Easter and Christmas? Forget everything else, give me something valid that justifies that question. I want to know why it was ok for Constantine to say, "No more Passover, from now on it's Easter" and somehow, we just have to live with that as Christians without any questions, when that was not how it was done for centuries? It was too late by then to cry, "we are free in Christ; we aren't under the law!" at that point.

Heck, for that matter, I want to know who changed the Sabbath to Sunday.

Just think about the arguments so far:

"We aren't under the law! That was the old testament, there is now a new covenant, and we aren't even Jews! We are saved by grace through faith! We have freedom to do whatever we want!" - So? And this means we should celebrate substitute holidays, change the day the LORD commanded as the Sabbath, and stop celebrating the holidays that JESUS HIMSELF celebrated because...(This is what I am looking for, this PART RIGHT HERE...COUNTER ARGUMENT PLEASE <---- )

Well, since folks are done listening, I guess it's time to zip the thread up.

We're talking about holy hamburgers... Cheese and bacon free, the Biblical way!